I would like to know how many of you would vote against someone soley due to their open religious agenda even if they might have good ideas in other areas. What are your thoughts on this?
I try not to be a single issue voter. However, the loony religion thing usually comes with lots of lunacy.
It would depend upon the available options but I tend to vote for the candidate that best represents my desire to build a better society for all citizens, Obviously a person with delusional beliefs and an overwhelming faith in any of the various death cults would be low on my list of choices. It is helpful that most of the candidates that have an open religious agenda are also hateful individuals that want to vilify the poor, the aged and the vulnerable in society, it definitely makes my choice easier at election time.
I worry when that vision is a theocracy.
@DavidLaDeau You should, we all should.
If any candidate speaks about religious beliefs (Romney and Pelosi did the day after the SOTU) I immediately become suspicious of them. Their beliefs can easily lead them to choose beliefs over science. That is why I fear them having power. They and their followers can do enormous damage, all the while believing they are guided by god and thus doing good.
Because all of them profess to being a believer at one time or another, I may be left with voting for the lessor of two evils. Right now, that appears to be ANY DEMOCRAT.
That is way too open a question to answer aptly.
"how many of you would vote against someone soley due to their open religious agenda even if they might have good ideas in other areas"
Degree would matter greatly, is it some moderate Christian who has good social ideas?
Not an issue.
Is it someone like Mike Pence, who wants to make laws that allow religions to discriminate against Gay and womens rights based upon their chosen set of religious beliefs. After all if they see the religion, the text, as teaching not to be "of the world" and thus not to tolerate LGBTQ, womens rights, non believers rights?
Then fuck no.
To even begin to address the issue would require a lot more detail.
Everything in context, with consideration for nuance. Not enough specifics in the given scenario to decide for sure.
Nobody with ANY religious agenda should hold office in this country. By definition, any religious agenda excludes people and ideas.
I would vote no because of the extreme people if they got in power. Can you imagine if Bill Barr was President. He’d probably start an inquisition against us. All secularists, non Christians lumped together as the problem with America today. Look no further than king trump. Using evangelical leaders to authenticate his divine appointment. And he’s using Barr. Be wary people, if things don’t change come the election this November.
There are many that want to turn the U.S. into a theocracy. That would be very bad.
No, because open religious agenda will shape the future and give power to the church.
And the churches with power will be able to cast out the good ideas and implement anti science.
Remember, churches play the long game, they think in generations, not in electoral cycles.
Churches don't need to have privileges now, they are happy with the power to indoctrinate the next generation to give them the privileges.
It is the same with a monarchic/autocratic government. One monarch can be good and them you think the system is good, but will the next one be nice? Or what concessions will he need to make to continue in power?
Someone that bases or gives part of his power to religion will be hostage of this religion at some point in time.
The candidate can be religious, i don't care, but he can't base the government in religious principles
@Pedrohbds Most religious people can not seperate fact from fiction. That is why they are theist.
@DavidLaDeau They can, a lot of religious people can compartmentalize so good the religion that if they don't tell they are religious htye would not be different from your average atheist
@Pedrohbds I don't know, I was extremely religious and am also a hard atheist. I can tell pretty quickly if I wish.
Amusing analogy from Stephen Colbert. I don't know that I would compare Mitt Romney to Thomas More but I do think Trump is very much like Henry VIII!
I distinguish between being open about their religion and having a religious “agenda.” If that agenda coincides with my interests, as has been the case with several christians who espouse a “social gospel,” then I’m typically OK with it. These days, I’ve found that building coalitions is the only way to get big things done. If their agenda, however, is to use political power to advance their religion in the public sphere, I will work against that.
I would vote anyone who uses faith or religious dogma to destroy our way of life, our cultures, and our county wholesale!!!
Just like trump and the obstructionist republicans fascist are doing now to destroy everything we hold dear!!!
Then it is safe to say that Pence is out of the question!
It depends on how strongly religious they are and how rigid they are in their religious beliefs.
Call me a hypocrite but I voted for Jimmy Carter, knowing he was a "Born Again Christian". Having said that, I think he was one of the best "persons" we have ever had as president (and still is). Unlike most "B.A.C"s, he is true to his beliefs and actually embodies the true spirit of Christian doctrine. Too bad more "Christians" are not like him. Most people use their religion as a way to bully others into believing as they do. A true Christian would not be an "Evangelical". They would be like Mother Theresa and help people regardless of what they believed.
I have trouble voting for someone who might think that problems can be fixed by prayer or who may even believe that it is not worth worrying about such things as global warming because god will rescue them. Whether I did vote for them would depend on their opposition. I would still rather see a religious person in power than a right wing fanatic. Always assuming they weren't a psychopathic narcissist right wing fanatic masquerading as a religious person.
Do you have an example of a person with an 'open religious agenda' that has 'good ideas in other areas'?
You don't get to throw out the assumption that such a creature exists without evidence.
I'd like to read an example. Just like pretty much everything else, the easiest way to show a statement is supportable is to support it.
What's that old saying? It is an ill wind indeed that doesn't blow someone good somewhere. The world is a complicated place and I doubt that you could find anyone with which I disagree with every single attitude they have.
But the more someone believes in fantasy, the less likely it is that I would vote for them.
To put it another way -- the more likely it becomes that I would choose someone else.
I would vote for mayor pete and he is clearly Christian
@twshield you may be right but the thought of him getting elected and trumps heart attack ad shame of being beaten by a queer would be priceless
and pete is thoughtful and quick and I like what he has to say I like you am afraid of other consequences but he is the better candidate
@twshield Okay, I am about to put my head in the noose: when the time comes that the USA elects a black openly lesbian woman as its president then the country could be regarded as emancipated.
Pete's Christianity is part of who he is, but he doesn't seem to be wanting to center an agenda around it. He is outspoken about being inclusive to to those of other faiths and of no religious faith. (I'd vote for him too!)
@twshield I been praying for a sharp shooter on a grassy knoll but this generation is so lazy
@anglophone I have said that I am hoping the person to beat drumpf is a black (what is the correct term?) woman who was somewhere on the LGTBQ scale simply because it would annoy the crap out of him.
@twshield Right, it worked out so well for Obama. I hear what you're saying, I was pleased Obama made it into the WH but I knew the really ugly side of America's history with people of color was going to rear it's ugly head . What I never thought would happen was a candidate riding that hate into the WH.
@anglophone I would change that to an openly gay multiracial woman preferably a non-believer, but I'd settle for one who has a god belief if they wouldn't legislate those beliefs.
@twshield This has been the way of the gop and it's supporters since newt gingrich came on the scene. No one seems to see this or is willing to put an end to it.
@twshield hes not a socialist democratic socialist is different and we already have much of our country that is using democratic socialism and its a scare tactic I don't really want Bernie but if he gets it he has my vote more important to take the senate and get mitch out and Lindsay
I saw a very short clip of him a week or so ago and he was praising Jeezus, so I just turned it off and put him on my shit list. Maybe I should listen to what he has to say... I find it almost impossible to trust religious people.
@realneal54 he is a believer but he doesn't think he has the right to push his beliefs on us all and he hates the way some others claim to be Christian and don't act it
he is sharp as a tack and honest and would make a thoughtful kind president who really took his oath seriously and would do a great job whether we are ready for a gay pres im not sure but I know it would chap trumps ass to be beaten by a gay man