Borrowed from Facebook:
By Donald Phagan
When I worked in the funeral business as a counselor to dying clients I found that the more religious people were, the more they feared death and the more their families were in denial of the coming events. Atheist were always more accepting of death and more peacefully and more caring about their families that they were leaving to live out their lives. It helped me to learn to appreciate my life and accept the end of my life without fear or regrets. All of our molecules will someday drift again into the space that we came from. Should we by chance bump into each other out there and should there by chance be a little spark...then who knows it might just be the beginning of something. Otherwise just let me rest as all of my molecules drift on and on with maybe a little false bump here and there but other wise just quite rest and bliss forever and ever. No politics, no wars, no work, no taxes, no rain, no snow, no illness, no sadness, and best of all no religion.
The reason why religious people are more afraid of dying is because it suddenly dawns on them how they have behaved while on this earth.
All theists will only think of heaven and it never occurs to them that there is also a hell (assuming you believe that) and they are much more likely to end up in hell than heaven.
No fear of death only of dying. Do we not have religion to blame, for the fact that doctors can not give the last kindness to humans, which vets give to their patients every day. Not all death is free from suffering, and just think for a second how much unneeded suffering takes place every day, on a global scale, just because of that.
My eldest became surgical nurse, but after failing on a team effort to save a 9 yr old child after a Pit Bull tore them apart changed her mind. She chose less stress and went into palliative care, end of life. There she quickly learned that acceptance of death was often far easier for the patient than for the families. Routinely families did not understand that palliative care is end of life care, at all. When sent to hospice they oft expected the patient to recover, that is how deep denial of death in our culture has become.
A Century ago when someone died it was still common for them to lie in the Parlor, in state, in your home. Two centuries ago an undertaker was only a necessary profession in metropolis or a net work hub, rail station ect.
Most people did that themselves, preparation and burial of loved ones.
As such we have lost touch with death in a personal tangible way. Medicine has gotten very good at saving us and preventing disease, we do not all lose 50% of our children before age five, NOW people say "That is unimaginable, to lose a child", it was not a couple generations ago and is not in the third world.
@Gwendolyn2018 Oh I agree. If I could change one thing with my kids, it would be more open, honest conversations about death. I would mostly say, "ahh you are too young to worry about that." Even my death was a shirt conversation with "don't worry about, you will be fine. Dying is just part of life." I do believe now, that open conversation concerning death early on eases fears.
I started pre-planning my death when I was about 45. A good friend, who is considerably younger, will be handling my wishes. My adult children are aware that they won't have much to do. I did this so they can pay attention to themselves and their needs not details.
My readings are all picked out, as is my death CD of music for thee viewing. There are three songs to be played, one for each of my children. Photographs have bern added and I add new ones. Yes, I want a slideshow. Wine and cheese during the viewing.
Since I have started this conversation surrounding death has been much easier. I hope to brings my children comfort and provides a better outlook regarding sadness. I want my life to be celebrated. I think that's a good message
@Iamkratom "I started pre-planning my death when I was about 45."
I had thought about that, but I have not done so. I have had those long conversations about this with my children growing up, and as adults. They all knkow how I feel.
What I do not know, and won't ever know, is what those loved ones will need most themselves when I die, and since no one knows, no one could ever communicate what they might need for their grieving process.
Thus I decided to let my ideas be well known, and the fact that I do not really care as what I consider to be "Me" will be gone when unconciousness decends.
Next, I set aside a fund not only for costs, of whatever the living choose, but to include incidentals like travel and so forth, and I add to that a little every month.
@Iamkratom, @Gwendolyn2018 Its the Siddhartha paradigm, if you raise you children and shield them from the harsh realities of life, then those realities have every chance of overwhelming them as adults.
Interesting term Memaw, only heard that in the deep south , Bayou country, but that term evolves in rural areas all over the eastern us, go up a little to the Kentuk hills and its Mawmaw, go further north and either east or west, it bocomes Ma or Pa, but mostly where the trees outnumber the folk.
My Ma would have had my ass if I used the term Mommy, she saw it as infantile and something no boy child should ever speak.
@Gwendolyn2018 Memaw is southern Grandma, very common inthe rural areas.
Sorry for your loss.
Personally, I don't believe I fear death but dying might be another conversation. That said, I don't like funerals, I know people may need them for "closure", fine, but I don't like to go to them. I don't even want to go to my own funeral...No, wait...I won't be at my own funeral anyway. Okay, so as Rosanna Rosanna Danna used to say, never mind.
History has had some pretty horrific dying. How one goes is certainly something to be concerned about especially with all of the fine examples of horrific death provided by hollywood which, no doubt, some psychos will try to emulate.
@beenthere I had a bike accident some time ago and was knocked out cold and suffered some injuries. Couldn't remember or feel a thing. It is said when the body knows there is imminent death it shuts down. Some of us, like myself, have a low shock threshold and even the thought of heavy pain can cause shock and unconsciousness. There are ways of leaving when we feel it is time and the group "Final Exit" [finalexitnetwork.org] offers ideas. A new movement is that suicide is the ultimate human right.
@beenthere Exactly why dying is a whole nother conversation. I enjoy watching anything sci-fi or horror, so as you mention there are plenty of examples of how one might die. Personally, I would prefer to go in my sleep and not experience death as a result of a tragic accident or worse an attack, violent or otherwise.
@JackPedigo I have had a similar experience. Similar only because I was knocked out. I was hiking and stepped in a hole and then lights out...I was down for the count, as they say. I literally do not remember falling or face planting the ground...nothing. Never felt a thing. Not a clue as to how long I was out. I just remember taking a deep breath, lifting my face out of the dirt, pulling my leg out of a deep narrow hole, sitting up. No pain and no memory. Very odd feeling not remembering.
This is my experience as well. I come from an evangelical, maga troll, family. My uncle passed away 02 NOV 2019, and all of my bible believing relatives were just... typically afraid of death to a point where the one cousin leading the eulogy was delivering a sermon and an outright threat to those of us not converted (or deconverted) to accept jebus as savior if we ever wanted to see our uncle again. He wasn't saying it in an angry way, but the threats were blatant. Honestly, I was bored. It's typical xtian a-hole behavior. But it highlights where they are mentally, emotionally, and -yes- even 'spiritually.'
Fear, fear, fear is all religion sells. Religion poisons everything!!!
I believe our bodies are all energy just like everything in this world. Our physical body dies but our energy continues on. Nothing to fear about death in my opinion.
Yes, I hope some of my "energy" lives on through some actions and decisions made by those I leave behind when I go, where my thoughts and opinions might become factors. Until then, I want to make the most of this combination of atoms, etc., that make up me, and leave some sort of impression.
@Julie808 That’s a lovely way to look at your life. To want to be a positive force and leave a lasting impression will certainly not be forgotten by those you love.
Are religions are essentially death cults, the fear of death is the premise for their existence and the underlying power of all religions. It stands to reason that atheists would be less fearful of death than those who are members of a death cult and all the dread that goes with it. If you have sinned you are going to eternal damnation and they all know that they have done their fair share of sinning, hence the anxiety.
My husband was a very non militant atheist and he was very accepting of death and totally unconcerned about his impending services when he became aware of the inevitable. We had a big party for the people who wanted to remember him. Loved ones need closure, I hope all my atheist friends provide for that closure with the people they care about.
I agree. If I know when my end is coming, I'm not sure I'd even advise my loved ones, and I certainly wouldn't want any sort of elaborate funeral. Let them live their lives, celebrate me in whatever way they choose (or not), and if the memories are pleasant, cherish those.
When thinking of deceased loved ones, I avoid sadness by remembering that the reason I am sad is because they brought me something special, loved me, made my life better somehow. So I focus on that, not that which will no longer be. I also rely on the Stoic approach of realizing that their death is an event without emotion, it is just a thing. No emotions. Emotions are mine. The death is not something I control, whereas I can control my feelings and emotions.
As to burial, put me in some sort of eco-pod. I think cremation is a wasteful use of energy. Love the earth, give yourself back to her.
That’s pretty much what I believe. Living indefinitely longer would be exhausting in every way. Heaven, if the Christians were right, would be boring beyond belief and hell just ridiculous. Heaven and hell are what you make of it now while you’re alive. Or what unfortunate circumstances some people find themselves in. After a long and full life , nothing would be best. Not fair though if ones life is cut short for whatever reason.
Yes, I think for the most part atheists have a better handle on death than the religious. Best to keep the emphasis on living a good life, and being remembered well, than to focus on a death being a gift to gods or humanity.
I don't mean sacrifices made for society, those are noble for sure, but to shift (or ignore) grief from the loss of our loved ones, by imagining that their death is what the god/s wanted and they are now dancing with the angels, takes away from healthy grieving, in my opinion.
Not having had your experience I couldn’t say one group is more scared of death than another. But my Christian parents have always been uncomfortable around the subject and my completely atheist ex hated talking about funeral plans.
Although the Christ’s death is glorified by his church, individuals’ deaths don’t seem to be, and so I don’t feel Christianity is a death cult.
Although there is some sort of promise of eternal life for being good, there is still a reckoning to be had, and not being the masters of their own destiny this must be quite daunting to Christians. As they are not their own judges of their behaviours they are Probably often left without a clear knowledge they won’t go to, ‘the other place’
Fear of death hence the need for religion. Therefore religion is all about fear and denial. I like to say these people can't wait to meet Jesus just not yet.
How many molecules are in each of us? Just read an amazing fact: there are more possible moves in chess than in the number of molecules in the universe! So what if a few bump into one another. It will take more than a couple to make a spark which is also fleeting.
Depending on the religion, remember that there is a judgement that one has to pass before you can claim any of those eternal goodies, and you only get one shot - no “do overs” or “make up exams!“ That sounds a bit intimidating, and people might wonder if they have really been forgiven for all the squirrelly sins and guilt they carry.
Great story, thanks for sharing your experience.
Deep down they know that the eternal life bullshit and "rejoice because you're going to paradise" brainwashing they received is all exactly that, more crap, so that's why you observe that fear. Us the nonbelievers are perfectly fine with death, we all die, it is part of nature. So that's the reason why most nonbelievers try to leave this planet better than we found it. The brainwashed, while living, couldn't care less because they're not facing death, they think they will live forever, so screw posterity.
I have not known one Christian that could admit that it was a death cult. Atheist do seem to handle the thought of death better.
That difference may come from different people's different abilities to accept cold hard facts and to come to terms with such facts as may be upsetting.
It is hard to accept a fact when the social norm excludes you from it, by profession.
When it comes to health DRs have the facts, we do not have any need for that knowledge.
When it comes to Law, Attorneys do, we do not have any need for that knowledge.
When it comes to death its a double whammy, First, lack ANY experience on how to properly handle a dead person is a serious liability in disasters. Second, it removes from us all action in the grieving process, rather it makes us sit and stare and grieve, while someone gets paid to "deal with the unplesantness"
However for a LOT of people, work and effort is part and parcel of the grieving process. I suspect that might be a social trait evolved over millenia, to handle the weight, prepare the body, and so forth. In Most cases religion was the ceremony, you dug the grave, maybe built a coffin. Now we organize entrees.
I do not think that works for veryone, and so frank open discussions like this are merited.
“Why should I fear death?
If I am, then death is not.
If Death is, then I am not.
Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?
Death is nothing, its the dying that oft sucks ass.
@Davesnothere Thank you for sharing that perspective.
I thought you were going to bust into song at the end with john Lennon’s “Imagine “ . Nice price though. Xx
Love that song. If I have a funeral it will be played multiple times