Curse of the Hope Diamond is a legacy of the Supernatural that I have long heard of. In earlier life I read of this and agreed with it totally. Of course, you have to believe in the Supernatural to have that point of view.
Recently a TV program went back into this expensive stone, where it came from and how it has affected the lives of all those who have come in contact with it. Death, lost fortunes and every kind of mishap are reported among those who have owned or come into contact with this precious stone. Each person passed the diamond on through their family or sold it to another who started reaping the misfortune. It finally ended when a man named Hope bought the expensive stone and had it placed in the Smithsonian Institute. It causes no problem there.
Let's revisit this cursed stone in another way. Imagine it to be a small wood carving or anything you like. People pass it on one to another through family heritage or sale, and these families have the many tragedies that befall humanity happen to them. How do you single out the small wood carving as the source of these tragedies? It can only be done by belief in the Supernatural and associating personal greed as a source of misfortune. The small wood carving would never enter into this picture. It is too insignificant and has no value. It could not be identified as a source of anything.
Mankind has lots of misfortune and tragedy attached to its many families because bad things can and do happen. They happen every day. One might ask why nothing bad has happened to the Smithsonian. For those who look at it properly I think I have dispelled the curse of the Hope Diamond. It is all made up rubbish and a by product of religious belief. Religion itself is belief in the Supernatural.
Superstitious nonsense, given credence by people who believe in the supernatural, but there are many other recorded instances of people having a belief that certain objects have been cursed. Is it due to religion or just a natural human desire to explain unexpected deaths or disasters? I think I would suggest that it’s the latter.
I think it is due to religion but tends to fall more towards the latter.
@DenoPenno Probably a combination of the two.
The same happens to Lottery Prizes...the Curse of the Lottery prize!
Tonights winning numbers are ------not yours!
I think perhaps belief is borne in the believer. My mom had a small cheap religious plastic plaque. She attributed miraculous miracles to this thing. I doubt it was any message from a god. But she believed in it fervently. She spoke of seeing, hearing dead relatives, strange noises. I just rolled my eyes. Then I saw the dead relatives too. This has nothing to do with god or religion for me. Just left over energy. She was one who believed if she prayed and something good happened, it was because she prayed. If something bad happened it was just gods will. Never got the logic. I think that if people say they have faith, it is a belief in something unknown that just happens because they pray or believed. I can’t knock their fantastical beliefs. But I envy it sometimes. Takes the science out of the equation. It was gods will. I don’t believe in god, prayer and healing. That god would be way too cruel to choose one despot who is saved by a prayer over a n innocent child dying of cancer whose had a whole church, town or whoever praying for them. That’s pure rubbish. Life is fate, it is random. That one bad day you park your car in a great spot and a tree falls on you and kills you. Life and death are random acts of circumstance. Just my thoughts.
Just your thoughts and you are correct.
I watched that program, too. As with all "cursed" objects, haunted dolls, etc., they are seen and handled by thousands and yet the stories of tragedy connected to them are few enough that they can be listed and related in a matter of minutes. I have things in my own knick-knack cabinet that can be connected to a string of family deaths and tragedies. I call them "heirlooms."
su·per·nat·u·ral
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
Going by the pure definition of supernatural... There are definitely supernatural events in the universe! (And, perhaps, on our own planet!) We do not have a grasp yet on the totality of science...Or nature for that matter. There is much we do not yet understand. So yes... There are supernatural things and events.
Supernatural does not mean superstitious. They are two different meanings altogether!
That said... Do I attribute anything supernatural to the Hope Diamond? No... It's a chunk of carbon!
I have to disagree with your logic there, Rick. "Beyond scientific understanding" some things may be, but nothing is "beyond the laws of nature". We just haven't reached a sufficient understanding of those laws yet.
At one time, lightning and thunder were thought to be supernatural. Ben Franklin's lightning rod was criticized because, people said, he was thwarting the will of God. An almighty god, yet his will can be thwarted by science. Science wins.
What's the point of your post? Nobody here believes in superstitions. This claim "For those who look at it properly I think I have dispelled the curse of the Hope Diamond." A little pretentious to claim I DID IT don't you think? Especially in a place where nobody believes in that crap.
Nothing here is about me. I disagree with you because many agnostics still believe in a supernatural. I've even read posts by a few of them.
I do!
@DenoPenno i quoted you so it is about you, but to believe in the supernatural if you are a non believer is an oxymoron. I said non believers, Agnostics come in many types and are people whom I personally believe are wishy washy about what they believe or not. So again, I did not make any comment about agnostics. I said clearly non believers.
@Geoffrey51 based on your profile I don't doubt it. It figures.
@Mofo1953 Thank you
I kinda hope to have a diamond of that value! Yep I would spend much of the money and my fortune would eventually be spent by my children or grandchildren. Gosh I could handle that kind of misfortune!
Didn't you learn anything from rich kids? Like Trumps. It never is good for society to give when no responsibility is present.
My house and truck is going to charity. My relatives get nothing.
@PondartIncbendog Are you rich, then?
There's a difference between leaving your kids filthy rich, so that they don't have to work a day in their lives and can live like irresponsible teenagers until the day they die, and taking care of your family so they're comfortable and don't have to struggle the way you did (we used to call this the American Dream). There's also how you raise your kids; whether they have an attitude of being entitled and special, or whether they know they're lucky and feel a duty to make the world a better place.
@Paul4747 What does it matter whether I am rich or not. Yeah. Kids are idiots and do not handle money. Kids are NOT being raised well.
People who amass a great deal of wealth are obsessive people who are driven to do whatever is necessary to get that wealth, not well off or comfortable but rich enough that they would be able to buy something like that diamond as a symbol of their wealth and prestige. You make a lot of enemies when you are that sort of person and eventually your luck runs out.
Giant diamonds and giant fortunes go hand in hand, misfortune is the inevitable result of the behavior necessary to amass giant fortunes.
I think in actuality you may find that a lot of the curse stories were embellishments to give the stone more intrigue
Years ago, I found a big worthless agate. They are common in the Oregon foothills.
It was about a large as cowpie.
So, years from now, if no one lost it, it would have lots of stories to go with it. But you will never hear them because the agate is worthless.
I gave it away because I had it for thirty years and it wasn't going to go away on its own.
The buyers of the diamond were not the average people. These are the extreme wealthy and along with their wealth comes extreme behavior and risk taking.
So, you would have to look at the others in that risk group.
Beside that, it's just a shiny rock.
Can’t beat a good curse. Not forget you need a Hand Of Fatima to repel the Evil Eye!
It was stolen on 11 September 1792!
Yes but would the curse effect be real because of this? What if it was a small wood carving or a poker chip.
@DenoPenno maybe. Depends how much emotional energy is invested in it!
@Geoffrey51 I do not believe in curses or energy infused into objects that cannot be detected. This is why I no longer have a lucky rabbit's foot.
@DenoPenno Wasn't so lucky for the rabbit as they say!
Curses only have power over those who believe in them.
It is easier to blame the curse for the accident that befalls you than your own clumsiness or ineptitude.
Agreed, I guess that is why my Mom didn't name me Grace!
I agree . Many decades ago , I did see it at the Smithsonian . I recall hearing that Jacqualine Kennedy had borrowed it . I'm not sure , but I think she wore it for one of the parties after John F Kennedy's swearing in .
OK, but how would that have changed anything that happened to the Kennedys?
Well, don't stop there! Take it to its endpoint. We are the source of all these stories. We empower The Stone or The Nailed God or the Sitting Buddha with their stories, their mystique, their power over us. We are the source and the receiver. Don't fret. Enjoy. We must tell more stories. We just cannot believe them.
If you will forgive the expression...Amen to that. Keep telling stories that spark imagination leading to the inevitable debate of the possibilities. That is what keeps life interesting until, of course, we travel to another dimension, like in the TV Series The OA. How interesting that would be.
Exactly