It might not be either one of them. It is too early to tell. It might end up being Bloomberg. The center an disenfranchised republicans are going to look for a more moderate Democrat than Bernie, and it may take that to beat trump. If Bernie gets it maybe they center right won't vote for President and a larger than average turnout due to trump fatigue would help him win. The Dems are a clusterfuck right now and that is not helping.
How desperate you must be to stretch the truth so thin to suit your likes?
The passion, emotions, the blind faith of Bernie supporters is no different than a man who is drunk at 2 am who thinks everybody is beautiful in front of him.
When can you see the reality? Is it time to see the facts on the ground, the possibility of Bernie winning nationally or just want to keep dreaming? When are we going to drive in the ditch?
How much lipstick do you need for your candidate? Buttigieg will whip Bernie's ass in any debate on any and every issue including defense.
Buttigieg, the 38 year young, smart chap, a nobody until 2019, inexperienced, never ran for a national or statewide election, a novice who whipped the ass of a 78 year old Washington staple wanting to be president for 10 years on, with much stronger fund raising, two time presidential and now a struggling candidate hands down in Iowa and now you are trying to make Bernie look better than Buttigieg?
Please...... show some humility. Accept the Iowa defeat before starting to make the pig look like a prince.
I have had enough from Bernie supporters of propping up his bad candidacy. I am going to reveal every day how fucked up his candidacy is now for the sake of saving our democracy and the Democratic Party.
@Bierbasstard
Here is the truth
Yes the intelligent driven 38 year old who yesterday was a nobody and today is a somebody. How does a small time mayor become a presidential contender in so short a time? I suspect that someone like him gets there by being a yes man to the establishment. He is their comfortable choice. Dependable to do their bidding because he was a nobody and they made him a somebody. It has been the corporate media propping him up all along. How can you trust a leader who is so obviously beholden to the powers that be?
I'd be willing to accept the Iowa results if not for the following abnormalities-
The last poll just before caucus day was canceled. This poll showed Bernie continuing to rise and it was omitted due to complaints by the Buttigeig campaign. [usatoday.com]
The app used to report results was riddled with errors and malfunctions. It hadn't been properly tested, it was not secure, and the company that designed it has connections with the Buttigieg campaign as well as Clinton.
The announcing of results was delayed but Mayor Pete decided to declare victory despite there being no data yet available.
When the partial results were released, precincts which Sanders performed the best in were released last creating the perception that Pete was leading.
Just before the final count, the release of the results of the satellite caucuses which Sanders dominated in, Tom Perez decided to stop the count and call for recanvassing. This would have put Sanders in the lead but now the official numbers still have Pete leading by a very narrow margin.
There were coin flips that were obviously cheated and precinct captains announcing that the official numbers in their precincts did not match what they had reported.
The internal numbers calculated by the Sanders campaign do not match the official numbers. The Sanders people did not rely on a sketchy app and they sent two officials incognito to each precinct to observe and record.
Bernie won the popular vote by a hefty margin and yet the media has almost exclusively focused on delegate equivalent count.
It is now a week later and still they have not released the final numbers. They acknowledge that their are blatant errors in the counting but refuse to make corrections because they d want to " ensure the integrity of the process,” [nytimes.com]
This disaster has undermined faith in the democratic process and trust of the democratic party. Worst of all, it has given Trump and the GOP legitimate talking points about how disorganized and corrupt the democrats are. Well, they have a point, I admit reluctantly. So no, I will not show humility and accept this blatant rigged process as legitimate.
@RoboGraham the grapes were sour in Iowa and Buttigieg did not win?
@St-Sinner
He definitely lost the popular vote.
Seems to me that Bernie won by quite a bit and even after all their cheating, he is still going to win.
The point is moot really though because Iowa is meaningless aside from the media bump the winner gets which Pete usurped when he claimed victory very prematurely. So regardless, they stole the prize from Sanders. To beat this rigged system, we have to over-win, we have to win by a lot and after the tricks are played by the DNC, we just squeak by. This is why we are so vocal. Feel free to join the crooked establishment in trying to keep him down. We will beat you anyway.
You say we are propping up his candidacy. Well yes, that's how it works, your supporters lift you to positions of power. Who is propping up Pete? Do you think he has anything like the grassroots movement Sanders has? It's the special interests, the media, and the corrupt establishment attempting to lift him to power. And who will he be beholden to if he gets there?