I'm sure they won't see the truth. I was raised a Catholic. We believed it even without any understanding of the philosophical notions of substance and accident that was used as an intellectual underpinning of the transformation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

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I must be different. The entire time I was a Christian (first a Catholic, and then Baptist), I never once thought of the Eucharist and wine were literally Jesus.

Only Roman Catholics, some in the Eastern Church and Anglican high church believe in this idea. I agree it's a load of garbage, but most christians agree it's rubbish. It's based on the Aristotelian form/matter ontology.

I believe that in the Protestant denominations the wafer disc (bread) is only representative of the body of Christ ...the wine represents the blood of course, and nobody actually thinks that they are cannibalising the body of Jesus. Do Catholics really believe that they are actually eating the flesh of Christ...I doubt many do, even if that is officially what, by the miracle of substantiation, the church claims it is. I doubt any battles against religion will be won on these grounds...compared to some of the other nonsense that they believe this seems pretty trivial.

That’s just Catholics and you can’t lay that at the door of religion.

Why is it a war? That implies changing one set of ‘correct’ values for another set of ‘correct’ values.

Surely there is enough going on at the moment to not give a shit what anyone else believes!

Problem is of course even a majority of catholics don't believe it, if they did the pews would be running with vomit.
However, they choose to play along with the game and pretend they believe it so as not to rock the boat.
People indoctrinated in to religion have no problem simultaneously believing it is perfectly fine to lie through your teeth and still preach the ninth commandment

I've often suggested that we make them spit it out so they can see it's still a cracker.