Here is an old saying . When you die....."If you believe in God, and there is no God, you've lost nothing. If you do not believe in God, and there is a God, you've lost everything". What are your thoughts on this ?
Pascal's Wager depends on your prefered god existing. If you chose to believe in the wrong god or gods then you are screwed. If this god is so loving why would he send otherwise good people to hell simply for not believing in him. Also if god is all-knowing he would know your belief in him to be insincere and he would also know what evidence it would take to make an atheist to believe in him but choses not to present this evidence despite being fully capable since he is omnipotent. Sounds like a malevolent god if you ask me.
Isn't that referred to as "Pascal's Wager?"
I have read the bible and looking at the old testqament, if it were true, god would have a lot to answer for. I wouldnto consider that kidn of god worth worshipping even if he did exist. Of course several parts ofhte old testament can be proven false by archeology and even written records, so, I have no worries bout it.
Religion uses fer to maniplylate people. The idea th tif god exists than you are in trouble, is a instument to stir up fear to have power and control over people.
To go to heaven and sit around with God while he/she fucks with people, "hey watch what I do to this guy, you're going to crack up he-he-he". No thanks.
-In the first case, supposing you you keep your awareness, your entire world yould shatter; exactly as it would if you would receive confirmation now. The difference being that you have deceived yourself for a longer period.
-As for the second case...WHAT KIND OF GOD would judge an inferior creature cause it didn't believe in him??!? That is a trait which applies to us; greedy, narcisistic humans.
Isn't it funny that throughout history, people have depicted gods with similar traits as their's?
"Zeus became angry cause people were making fun of him because they thought lightning was a boring power" - Really...?? That's so middleschool!
"And the anger of the Lord burned against Uzzah, and God struck him down there for his irreverence,; and he died there by the ark of God" - What kind of joke is this? If a human possesed superpowers, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW HE WOULD REACT towards us, mere mortals.
I like my chances.
@LetzGetReal If we are wrong be sure to pack your flame retardant underwear.
Which nature of god and how is this god supposed to be believed? Do I sprinkle water on my head, cut off a piece of my wee-high-wonder-willy, kneel on a carpet a bunch of times a day, or just when I sleep or or or or....if I was a follower of 'god', I don't think it would change a thing to how I am or how I behave as I would have no idea of what this being wants of me, if anything....there are a lot of humans who want to tell me that they know what god wants me to do...but if I tell them that I know what god wants them to do, I doubt they would listen...so the fact that no divine beings are telling me to tell other people what to do is quite a relief to me....haha
He forgives sins so I'm still not bothered. if he is real which I doubt then he is one horrible two faced fucking wanker.
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I did not choose to not believe. I don't have any respect for a god that would reward such a self serving belief.
Wouldn't an all knowing god know that you're playing the percentages and punish you with eternal hell fire anyway. When I was churched we used to refer to people who took this position as 'bananna peel' Christians. One foot on the bananna peel and the other on the solid ground. I'm not sure investing in this religous hedge fund would be pleasing to the almighty.
How about the idea that 'God' doesn't have hell (eternal damnation) but rather doesn't play games with you. He simply embraces you for living another challenging, enlightening lifetime, lets you rest...some more learning and then you return, when ready, for your next earthly experience?? To put it mildly, the belief that you could 'straddle' between heaven and hell is nonsense; hell is a state of mind. Whether you believe in God or not, doesn't in anyway determine your destiny. Such a Divine Being of Infinite Consciousness would create such a non-sensical set up...that wouldn't really be loving now would it??
@peaceman1948 The idea that an omniscient, omnipotent god would care that I didn't worship (him,her, it) is absurd. How could such a being be so peevish? I don't subscribe to the idea that 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. What could I supply that a god who has everything want? In any case the creator of everything who is in control all the time can do nothing but take responsibility for our short-comings. The Romans and Greeks were much more tolerant to gods (plural). Worship who you want. Don't dis my choice. Obnoxious Christians claiming that their god was exclusive was likely the cause of any 'persecution'.
@cunctator Such a 'god' wouldn't care; the process of worship is for you in your personal development. The connection cultivated is an internal one, heart-oriented, if you will. So you're talking to the wrong person in your diatribe here. There's nothing that 'god' requires of you, it's what you can bring from your Source, which is within. This more reflects indigenous teachings around the world as well as Buddhism and is the 'inner' teaching in HInduism. And it's not about who's in control, nor about the illusion of short-comings that people hold against themselves; that's just cultural/religious programming that needs to be let go of. Christians have a mistaken literal interpretation of the 'bible' which has created a pretty ugly history of mayhem and strife...
That’s an argument one of my religious friends used in defending his faith. He spend an enormous amount of his time in church associated activities and gives the church a lot of financial support as well. Myself I don’t want to waste any of my time and money on something that there’s no proof even exist.