Listen to podcasts Joe Rogan (JRE), Joey Diaz (Church of what's happing now), and Bobby Lee (Tigerbelly).

These three collectively tell and share life stories and experiences of every kind of unehtical behavior there is.

Joe Rogan brings a variety of people in and we hear their stories as witness to some horribly unethical behavior that happeneds in government, in medicine, in business, in crime, in the military, on the streets, at the university, and in other countries. Recent podcasts I can point to about unethical behavior are environmental lawyer Barbara Freese (#1500) and military veteran and filmmaker Oliver Stone (#1511).

Joey Diaz is an ex xon turned comedian... He grew up in crime, on the street and within his family where there was ethical behavior but not what we expect. It is interesting to hear his life stories and other life stories, because you get a sense of strong "street ethics" that he follows to this day. His recent podcast with Russel Peters is eye opening on the crack epidemic in the 80s and 90s, through which both of them lived through and have personal stories.

Bobby Lee suffered child abuse, recovered drug addict that gas stayed clean for over 20 years, I think, and is a textbook example of someone with poor impulse control. His life stories are completely non-violent but sometimes truly cringeworthy in terms of ethical thinking and behavior but they are filled with both good and bad deeds and that make him very mixed ethically. I haven't been following his podcast lately so can't recommend specifics. I recommend instead to go to his early podcasts.

These three have pretty much convinced me that ethical thinking and behavior only come in when you have something to lose or no one is watching you. When you don't have anything ethics pretty much gets thrown out the window. And even if you do have something to lose, ethics gets thrown out the minute you think you won't get caught. Of course the dumb ones and the unfortunate ones get caught and we hear about them in the news. But its clear a lot more never get caught or have a legal loophole.

I also find for most, not all, unethical behavior happens from ages 10-45. By this time most have had children, a nest egg, a business, a house, a car, and its usually after having children that ethical behavior shows up...for some. Lol!

It is more simple than that. To me, the only logical basis for an ethical system is the need to treat all others and our environment with full dignity and respect.

Another great agnostic Timothy from the most brilliant man of the 20th century. Or maybe ever.