"In Sweden, “two-thirds of deaths have been among those over 80, and 97% never received intensive-care treatment.” the rationing rules used by the Swedish socialized health-care system, these seniors with Covid were denied the treatment they needed. "
I just read this quote, though I wasn't able to read entire article. If it's true, aren't realities such as these a strong arguement against a medicare for all type national plan here in the US? And as well, the ethics involved. At some point, yes, we will all pass on, but even at 80 you could have a lot of years still left.
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Don't believe everything you read. People are at work even now to try and make you believe that socialized medicine is a rip. Why is this so? American organizations make lots of money on Medicare. They do not want our current system to stop. If you do not believe me try watching TV commercials.
DenoPenno
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Aug 8, 2020
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Sweden basically treated those patients with morphine. Think death panels. They never closed their economy, but their citizen practice social distancing and universal mask wearing. Swedish economy has suffered because people are not going out, tourists are staying away in drives. Death rates are similar to United States but citizenry there is much more cooperative. If they did that here, there'd be bodies laying on the streets.
barjoe
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We have death panels here, it's just that they sit in the boardrooms of insurance companies instead of the government buildings.
@TomMcGiverin This country doesn't have rationing and involuntary DNRs during a pandemic. We don't allow euthanasia or assisted suicide. It's different.
@barjoe We do have rationing of health care here in the US. It's administered thru managed care insurance programs and the ability to pay for patients without insurance.
@TomMcGiverin Healthcare in the US is fucked, I agree with what you're saying but we don't have a public policy that says don't bother to save the lives of people beyond a certain age. Euthanasia is illegal as is assisted suicide. Our system isn't better. It's different.
@barjoe At least in Sweden, their leaders are honest and open about the rationing. Here in the US, we aren't. Don't want to get the peasants too riled up by openly saying they are expendable and have no value.
Why not provide a link to the (paywalled) article ? 
FearlessFly
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Why would I link something that can't be fully read?
It would be interesting to learn more about medical "rationing rules" in Sweden and anywhere else it's utilized in health systems. Do you have anything to add in this regard? Anything you learned in reading or personal experience?
@Flowerwall a) some folks actually subscribe
b) how would anyone know it hasn't been "made-up" ?
Source(s) matter, even for those that "can't be fully read" 
@FearlessFly Okay, yes, you are right some do subscribe, however, that is not the point. I don't know what all else is said in the artcle, so not sure I could even discuss it all. It's this point that I quoted that I wanted to discuss in particular. Since you have quoted the source, do you know where the journal's source was on that? I don't think they would post outright fabrication. I know I would not intentionally.
@Flowerwall . . . no intention to infer that YOU would. Still, just knowing the source sets expectation(s) for all.
. . . it is an OPINION piece 
@FearlessFly "it is an OPINION piece" Okay. The article is. Stastics are not.
@Flowerwall . . . I doubt opinion pieces are thoroughly fact-checked -- lies, damn lies, and statistics
You could email the pieces' author and ask for the source.
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