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To those of you with a believing partner how do you enter into meaningful conversations about why you don’t believe? My wife and I have been married almost 23 years and have always been dedicated Christians, that is until I began deconstructing 2 years ago. I have really rocked her world by posing my doubts and new world view. How does one communicate without causing the other to feel they’re being attacked?

MichaelOne 4 Sep 22
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Welcome to my world. I’m a secular Jew and my wife is a convert and now Temple President. 😢

That must be hard for you both.

@Jolanta Easy for her, hard for me. Very little time is left for together time. And we’re both retired.

@ADKSparky Why is there not much "together" time for you both?

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Why even get into that to begin with? You've been married and living together for almost 23 years. Continue to love each other, be good to each other and take care of each other.

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Thanks everyone for your input. I can see a lot of wisdom here and I think it all boils down to "don't rock the boat." I think I'll just chill and not press the issue.

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I do it by explaining about myself and why I feel how I do. When my partner said it seems to have good morals to follow I actually showed him some stuff on here that someone posted about slaves and wife battery in the bible. It helped me explain how I feel, instead of attacking how he feels. Obviously a lot of believers aren’t terribly educated about the bible...or they probably wouldn’t think it was a Good Book 😉

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Why must you get into conversations about why you do not believe? Just do not bring it up, and if she does, try diversion. There are so many other things to talk about. She: So you don't believe Jesus is the son of God? You: No. Did you remember to make an appointment with the podiatrist? She: Why have you decided you don't believe in God? You: It was a long process of reasoning it out. I can give you some related reading material if you'd like. Do you think Trump is going to get re-elected?

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Just treat it as a point of judgment free conversation and don't make it a hill you're willing to die on. Don't make it an issue and it won't be an issue.

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Don't bring religion up

bobwjr Level 10 Sep 23, 2020
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It’s probably best not to talk to much about your lack of belief. That’s what I do and I’ve been married to a religious woman for 44 years.

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I don't. If that is what she chooses, I will support her choice... as long as she is only changing it for herself. She can "find Jesus" or whoever, and start practicing. I will not. As long as she does not try to force me to adhere to her new faith, we will be fine. And, we will not debate why each of us believes how we do, nor put down the others beliefs. She believes and practices her way, I do mine.

Friends and family the same way. You follow your beliefs, I will follow mine, we will not argue or debate them, and especially not try to coerce or force the other to change theirs.

Politics the same.

The only problem arises when kids are involved.

But, then, I am divorced.. lol.. although this issue was not the cause of that.

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You don't say why you want to have a meaningful conversation... does she want to bring you back to the fold? Do you want to deconstruct her views? I recommend neither if you want peace in your relationship.

Now, that being said, if "she" wants to understand what your process was for changing your mind, that's different but stay on topic about the process. If you are trying to justify yourself to her, don't. Accept that you've grown away from this thing you shared and insisting she understand, accept or even join you is not a reasonable expectation and could harm your relationship.

Some people make it work BUT they usually put the relationship first, above all differences in beliefs. Good luck!

Leelu Level 7 Sep 22, 2020
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V e r y

s l o w l y.

skado Level 9 Sep 22, 2020
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My Ex is a Trump supporting atheist.
I tried to explain that the Republicans are trying to take choice from women.
Their response was that it was all talk just to get the religious people to vote for the right people.
Some people are extra brain washed.

I can see why delusional Christians buy into Trump but I wonder what an atheist sees in him? It must be frustrating for you to have to deal with him, hopefully it’s not often.

@MichaelOne No contact for 13 years, almost as long as we were married.

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Talk without getting upset, without raising your voice. Or don't talk at all, just state that you no longer believe but that others can if they want. Don't belittle, still be loving.

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I wouldn't if I were you...

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My ex was a believer and I think she still is. Often she agreed with me on many things but held on to her beliefs. I do not believe that this contributed in any way to our divorce. We simply went different ways.

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One's faith is not strong until it is challenged, to believe something without doing the research is fallacious. One should always check to make sure what is understood is correct. I believe that if you do a thorough search of all the concepts you may find an understanding you were not aware of. Conversations about faith can strengthen your relationship and you may both reach a place where you can agree as you will both know how you got there.

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Welcome and good luck on that.

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You can sit down and talk this out in several sessions if you both agree to it. The approach would be for both of you to only understand and know the other one point of view. Do it in the most peaceful way ( I know it's difficult) and do not use demeaning or conflicting adjectives like "ridiculous", "stupid", "unveliebable". Do not try to convince each other. Just talk. You will feel better. But this is not going to make you closer by any means.

Thanks for sharing this. That helps

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This reminds me of a couple I knew. They were fun, partying a lot—we were younger of course. They had a couple of kids. 10 years in, he wants to clean up his act, gets super religious. She does not, and misses the fun times. She wants a divorce. Eventually he agreed to the divorce, and admitted he caused the rift, because he had changed. Not her. She remained the same. Change can be tricky—be careful.

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Ive never had this situation before. But I tell religious men seeking to date me why I don't date religious men and our incompatibilities in values. If they push me further as to why I don't believe I go in to specifics.

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Religion is a belief... Not a fact. Everyone has their own beliefs and they should be respected.

I cannot tell if you mean the beliefs need to be respected or the person. I certainly respect a person's right to their beliefs, but I don't have to respect their beliefs. I love members of my family, but I absolutely detest their religious and political beliefs.

@Joanne I did leave that rather ambiguous didn't I? I meant that we should all respect the right for others to have different personal beliefs. I don't extend this to Trumpism though... Because Trump is 100% real unfortunately... And he is 100% BAD for the country!

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You have to know biblical text well enough to understand how biblical text points that Jesus is Lucifer the devil. Then she might understand and no longer want to support the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers being lead by Angelic lord of host Lucifer the devil since their freedom from England July 4th, 1776 to rape this land from the original indigenous inhabitants calling them such but not limited to Mexican, indian and native American and their forced establishment of the mark of the beast 666 begun with requiring birth certificate, social security number and photo identification for taxation and government control in furtherance of the religious prophesy dictates of biblical text.

Revelations 13:17 that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Capitalism wage slave labor. God bless America, In God we trust.

Word Level 8 Sep 23, 2020
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There is certainly still overlap and neither of you may think you have the vocabulary to express it, but it's there nonetheless.

All language is meant to be metaphorical (without exception) therefore people (on all sides) who wish to get over-literally literal run into problems with people and things.

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If it becomes toxic, just divorce. It’s the most humane thing to do.

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