Karmic justice is a bitch We'll see how this plays out. Maybe bleach would help -- [cnn.com]
Of course, it could just be another con designed to help him get another term.
He could be faking it to play the sympathy card and gain votes, or to get out of having to play fair in the next debate by allowing Biden to speak without heckling him. He’s definitely cynical and manipulative enough, but I’d prefer to reserve judgement to see how his supposed illness develops first. If he and Melania genuinely have the Covid virus, it is indeed a very convenient distraction at this crucial moment in the campaign but something that he has courted by his cavalier attitude to mask wearing and disregard, bordering on disdain, for scientific facts and advice.
You bring up a serious possibility.
This pig has lied so many times and manipulated the weak minded so long that I wouldn't put it past him to "pretend" suffer through COVID to invalidate the election.
Would not be out of character in the least.
Yes, I hope he tries his own cures on himself.
You know, if he survives this and he probably will... he'll say,, "I had the virus, it was nothing. I mean, I suffered, of course, I took it on and beat it but it was nothing. It only kills people who were going to die anyway. I suffered horribly, like no one else but it was nothing."
pukes
OTOH... He loves "fake news" I would totally believe he's lied about this to escape responsibility for the debate and any upcoming ones.
If he were a courtroom judge he would probably tell the counsel for the defence that his mind was made up and that he did not wish to be confused by the evidence.
I am not sure how i feel about this. There are sooooo many different levels to this. On the most basic level of trump only as a person.... He is despicable and the world would be a better place without him. But then i look at the upcoming election. One thing he has done is to make sooooo many more people want to vote simply to get him out of office. If he dies and then Pence becomes the candidate, some of those people may not be as inclined to go to the polls any more. We need EVERY SINGLE person to vote. And then there is the conspiracy part of me that thinks trump believes he won't win. If he can 'die' and disappears, the narcissistic part of him won't have to go through the election and suffer the humiliation of losing. Also he knows that if he loses, he will suddenly be the target of a multitude of state and federal criminal investigations. The federal ones, he might be able to twist his pardon power enough to make them go away, but the state level investigations will continue and very likely he would go to jail. If he 'dies', they stop. So i am a) not sure if i believe it but b) if it is real, i am not sure if i want him to recover or die.
Finally some positive news from the WH! Mr Trump passes a test without cheating.
Unless and until he is on a ventilator (with video documentation) and power is transferred to Pence, I can’t believe anything he says. This could be a lie for so many reasons.
Get out of debates,
As an excuse for why he is going to lose,
Distract from talking about Proud Boys or taxes
He doesn’t want a second term, but his pride won’t let him back out,
So he can “miraculously “ recover and show his base he is invincible,
the list goes on.
May very well be true.
Why would he want to get out of debates? In his mind, he did a wonderful job. He doesn't think he has done or said anything wrong. Pretty sure he wants a second term.
@itsmedammit because there is talk of changing the rules, perhaps adding a cut off switch so he can’t interrupt. And the next debate is town-hall format, getting questions from individual voters. He doesn’t do well with that format.
@Tinocca He doesn't have to fake an illness to get out of a debate. Anyway we'll see what happens.
@itsmedammit he claimed he wanted even more debates. Then he didn’t do so well in the first one. He claimed he won it, but he knows it didn’t go as he hoped. His pride wouldn’t let him back out now. Lying is the way he would handle it. It’s his M.O.
I can't believe how many ostensibly rational people are speculating that this might be some kind of hoax or conspiracy.
How is this more believable than the tens of thousands of lies or misleading claims that we know he's told?
That was my thought too, but then again, Trump is about the biggest liar there ever was and he does do some outrageous things. He is in a desperate spot. He did want to delay the election. This could do it, hoax or not.
I don't think it is fake though. Wish it were. Can you imagine how many people he has infected? It was a matter of time.
@LovinLarge @itsmedammit Seriously? Can you not see there's a difference between stories by Trump and stories about Trump?
@Gareth No, because there is no way to know that the stories about Trump did not originate with Trump.
@LovinLarge It's frustrating to see so much voodoo in the world - where everything is a hoax, fraud or conspiracy and there is no place left for objective truth. You're talking fake moon landings here.
@Gareth I think you may have misread my post.
@Gareth It is normal, healthy and wise to consider all possibilities in the absence of evidence, which is all everyone except you is doing with respect to this issue.
@itsmedammit It's possible I didn't read to the end.
@LovinLarge salty
@Gareth brain dead
@itsmedammit Gareth is an idiot. Doesn't even live here yet qualified to tell those who do how to interpret our own public affairs.
@LovinLarge So, not here for community, then?
If he learned nothing else from Qanon, he should've learned how contagious hoaxes can be
What happens if tRump dies from covid19? Does pence run for president?
That's my guess.
Hope he does.
I believe it's a con even now. Plans have been made for the moderator to control both mics in the next debate. This will not work for Trump and he was going to raise hell about it. He wants the debates to be a loud and open shitshow. With the idea of Trump now having COVID you can imagine that there will be no more debates. Is it true, or is this the plan?
But he would have to cancel his rallies. He loves the spotlight too much.
Looking a gift horse in the mouth, Trumps possible demise before the election may result in some unanticipated constitutional questions. Would a new election have to be held with a new Republican nomination process. (my wife and I have already voted, sent our ballots in) How far back would the inauguration (Jan. 20), be pushed and who would be president after Jan. 20 if a new election was not conducted by that time.
@creative51 Where does it say that the Speaker becomes president if the election is still in quesiton?
If Trump dies before the election Pence is president.
It all seems a bit convenient one way or another, after that last "debate" I am sure there are a lot of people in the WH who are glad he is going to to be "shut up" (in all senses of the term) for a while.
I wonder if "der weiße Engel" is infected too or if he will take over as President pro temp.
"Is it safe"?
I doubt it is a hoax but wonder how many people the stupid fuck has infected. I hope the debate hall was well ventilated.
This is going to be a contact tracing nightmare!
If it's real, and I stress IF, I'm wondering what impact it might have on their schedule to get their new SCOTUS seated as well as the election itself.
@Sgt_Spanky He is going to have to give up his rallies. I don't see how it would impact the supreme court nomination.
I really do hope that Trump gets ill enough to take the infection seriously . Not hoping for his death, but it sure would uncomplicate a whole lot of things.
@itsmedammit We'll see but I have yet to be convinced he's not faking this to help with his re-election. Everything with this asshole is a con and a lie so why not this too?
@itsmedammit Well our own dear Citizen Boris ended up in intensive care when he caught it, and he's a lot younger than Trumpty.
@Gwendolyn2018 But but the whole coronavirus is a hoax! lol
My neighbor just speculated aloud something that was in the back of my own mind-
Supposing it's all a hoax to avoid the next debate, where Trump would have to face questions from and interact with members of the general public? It's established that he's the absolute worst at the town hall setting. This way he gets out of the debate and doesn't have to admit what a huge coward he truly is when he knows he's going to lose.
Ordinarily, I'm the last one to peddle any kind of conspiracy theory. But really, there's absolutely no way to know. And given the track record, why would we believe anything out of this White House?
I;ve also been speculating on possible hoax scenarios and I came up with his "miraculous" recovery after being given his rushed vaccine that is only "weeks away " now. Nothing this twisted asshole does can just be taken at face value. This could absolutely be a con designed to help him get a second term. I assume we'll know sooner or later.
I agree how you feel about conspiracy theories, but remaining skeptical and knowing he lies and makes things up alot is , as far as I can tell a reasonable explanation. With that being said we have to wait for for conclusive evidence to see if that hypothesis is accurate.
What would be strong evidence is that they get hit by it HARD and get hospitalized and recover like many have. This would eliminate the chance of it being fake and him saying the virus is not bad and /or used some bogus reason that he got better. (or it went away) Those are bad info and ammo for his base.
If it is false, they used Hope to throw the bus , that he wasn't his fault he contracted it.
But it is reasonable for him to get away from the town hall but if the networks are smart, he can just sit on a zoom chat for it. There is NO reason they can't set up cameras there and he can answer over this wonderful thing the internet.
Maybe the doctors just told him he has it in the hope that he will just STFU?
@LenHazell53 I think physical therapy would be more effective. As seen here: