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Religion has always been about saving people or trying to convert others into their way of beleiving. Have you been the one to make an attempt on changing someone's religious beleifs into being a non-believer and if so, how did you go about it, what was the outcome.

mistymoon77 9 Apr 12
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I'm not going to try to change someone's ideology, just as I don't appreciate it when people try to change mine. I will have a discussion with them, as long as it's respectful and not just a rant.

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So far I’m 1-1. I’ve helped one get free, and my brother was an atheist and converted to Christian.
Not like, benign, easy going Christian. No we’re talking Crazy ass, hands to the sky, full blown cult status, watched “is genesis history” over and over again Christian. Moved to a commune with friends and everything. Blew my F-ing mind.
I still think he did it entirely for his groin however, as the girl he’s with is extremely insane about Jesus, and he follows pretty much what’s in his face more.
Heartbreaking though. We were really close and now we don’t talk at all. I can’t respect his decision. And I don’t feel guilty at all about that. He was logical like I believe I am, and he just chose to shit on all that thinking he used to do. Cause you know. Thinkin is really hard.

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I don't go out looking for people to "bring" to atheism, I don't have to, they tend to come after "saving" me. Well once they start the conversation, I'll tell them what I know and how I know it and if that damages their faith, so much the better.
I have however broken this rule when they have gone after my family, lieing to my children I will not tolerate.

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I have a lot of friends/family of whom are religious to one extent or the other. Just as I wouldn't want their beliefs pushed on me I also refrain from the same. We can have a discourse but it usually stays there. I'm really working on being less condescending when in these conversations; it's hard to keep myself from saying "you seriously believe that?!" or some variation of a snarky comment. But who am I to try to change someone else when I have a lot of stuff to work on myself?

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Not "always". I think the longer view, the core, of religion has been about improving one's self; not fixing other people. Of course the most numerous and outspoken followers don't understand this themselves, so "religion" gets judged by its misunderstanders. Atheists probably come closer to adhering to authentic religious principles than the bulk of so-called believers.

skado Level 9 Apr 12, 2018
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Yup.

3 conversions to Atheism so far.
Logic can lead the willing to the truth.

yes, I do agree with you on that.. it sure can.

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Another part of religion and other belief systems is finding a way for the individual, or the myth that is an individual, to connect to something bigger or more important than themselves.

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I don't know that I have changed anyone's mind. I have never just gone after someone's faith for the sake of trying to shred it. I HAVE done two things.

First, when someone expresses a painful struggle with questions like what is God punishing them for? or why is"God's plan" including such horrendous suffering sometimes? I might try to encourage them to think less dogmatically about God's plan or punishment; to recognize, that even within their faith paradigm there can be different ways to interpret situations.

But the second thing I do is, if someone aggressively tries to convert me, I tell them exactly why I don't believe their paradigm, and I usually don't hold any punches. That is not proslytizing. That is vigorous self-defense. I can't help it if it also feels good. 😉

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I haven’t ever actively tried to convince anyone to believe or not. I find myself now having less respect and trust for someone in proportion to how vocal of a believer they are. When a person is in a position to direct changes based on their fantasies I am starting to find myself getting more involved, otherwise, I don’t bother with it.

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I always throw logic out there when some stupid religious things are being said. My wife knows about me... I leave her alone. I don't debate her. My sob knows about me. He sees what i see but Catholic family is all around him. It's dangerous for him. My daughter and her boyfriend are ate up with it. She looks me hard ejen i don't say a blessing. Then she brings it up....ugh! My brother in law kinda knows about me. No one else besides this forum...

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I have conversations with people where i am open about being a non-believer. People probably notice that I'm not evil and that I'm happy and moral and charitable. Generous even. But I never try to influence them to abandon their beliefs. Sometimes, years later, I notice that a few people become non-believers. Maybe knowing one allowed them to consider the possibility or maybe I had zero influence. Doesn't matter to me. It was just a matter of, if you are my friend and we are not going to be fake and superficial with one another, this is something I feel I need to share. Friends and family all know I'm an atheist. Occasionally one deconverts out of their own free will and I feel that I might have made that a little less frightening for them. Only one time was it ever a dramatic change that I influenced in the moment and that was more a coming out of the closet than a deconversion. A person who had associated religious upbringing with morality and had been angry with his daughter for saying she was a non-believer screwed his courage to the post and admitted to her in my presence that he didn't believe in God. I think having me there being fearless about it was the prompting he needed to be honest.

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They always circle back to faith.
"I don't need facts, and I don't need logic and reason. I have faith; God is my logic and reason and the bible has all the facts I need"

Their minds are a connect-the-dots picture but they don't have, or want, a pen. They just assume ever dot leads to Jesus, so they don't feel the need to connect them.

KDzo Level 4 Apr 12, 2018
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I cannot change anyone's mind or heart. They can only do that for themselves.
I can present the facts, and express my positions, but I can't make anyone believe
whatever I have to say. If that were the case, I'd have gotten A LOT more people to
quit believing in bullshit.

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I would never try to change anyone. I would help someone if they wanted it.

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No people can believe what ever they want. But if they try to convert me I let them know everything wrong with their religion I don’t hold back.

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This isn't about being pushy or agruementative because we know where that gets us... nowhere. What this post is referring to imo, is that we bring about debate, not arguing when the subject arises.
I have in many occasions, asked a simpele question to that person.. get them to think about WHY and what they beleive in. Have they questioned their beleifs. etc. Many of us were raised or brought up with some sort of religious background. How did we become who we are today?

We questioned those beliefs, we rationalized it, we used logic and/or science to think things through and then we moved forward. I have had a couple friends ask me about why I think the way I do and I tell them... It's a start. It has to start somewhere and go from there.

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I don't try to convert anyone. If I set an example of rational thought as opposed to unquestioning irrationality, I think that speaks volumes.

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Nope. I’m happy to explain how I see things if asked, but I would never try to change someone’s mind when it comes to religion.

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Thre is no sense into trying to distance a "true believer" from his or her religious beliefs. Their attachment is irrational and emotional, not rational.

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No don''t go there.

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It is almost impossible to argue or reason with blind faith. That is the genius of the marketing of religion. That is why l don't bother.

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Ohhh NoooHHH! I wouldn;t go thre for all the tea in China - Let sleeping dogs lie.

Till they try and bite you.

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