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There has been an awful lot of talk lately about how Trump is on the outs, has no power, has no voice anymore, and that the Republicans will be happy to be rid of him from their party. The was even nonsensical talk that McConnell would be voting and trying to get enough other GOP Senators to vote to convict to permanently excise Trump from the party so it can move on without the stench of treason all over it.
I tried telling people that all that stuff was dead wrong, even though I very much wished it wasn't, and tried to offer my reasons to support my claims, but the optimism of those I spoke with blinded them to the reality. Trump is the GOP. Everything awful about one is the same for the other. Power is all they care about, and they simply cannot regain or maintain it with a fractured party. So, just like I've said, they will continue to suck each other off and do everything they can to fuck over the Dems and all the American people who aren't rich donors.

"Just five GOP senators vote Trump impeachment trial is constitutional | TheHill" [thehill.com]

(Had to edit the word 'fuck' back into my post that deleted itself out when publishing. Have we figured out why that happens yet @admin?)

ChestRockfield 8 Jan 26
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I wonโ€™t say Trump is the GOP. I will say evangelicals are the GOP,.

He owns them though. When he forces his wants to be their wants, they become one and the same.

@JeffMurray

In a contest between Trump and their religious leaders, if such a contest happens, who will the evangelicals follow?

I donโ€™t know, but recall reading that in the 1830s, after the Second Great Awakening, they went back to their churches.

@yvilletom I suppose is that happened he could lose them, but most of the religious leaders fell in love with him after he cheated on his 3rd wife who was having his 5th child by raw-dogging a porn star. I don't see them jumping ship either...
For your consideration:

@JeffMurray - A testament to the power of self deception, and the power of a practiced con man. Anyone who believes trump is a true believing Christian when he can't name any favorite Bible passage or who refers to Second Corinthians as Two Corinthians is willfully ignoring the obvious - trump has little to no exposure to the Bible and czn't have much belief in the religioun based on it.

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The power that the racist have is unsettling and scary its just insane Kentucky is a huge base for this considering Moscow Mitch and numbnuts Rand Paul are from there

bobwjr Level 10 Jan 27, 2021
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Exactly.

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Ever since I saw an article similar to the one linked here, I have to wonder how much of Republicans' desire to give trump a break (as Niki Haley put it) comes from behind the scenes. Money in politics is a huge problem and can only lead to corruption. Why anyone thought not limiting and controlling it was a good idea is a mystery.
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I'm not sure how behind the scenes the motivation is. They seem to telegraph everything for us. They know Trump owns his voters, and they want those votes so they can't cross him no matter how toxic he is.

@JeffMurray - You may be correct about that.

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I feared you were right and time has proven it. Touche. I'm getting the impression that Maj Sp Schumer has also come to see it.

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Most of the Republican Senate hate Trump, but still fear the base which still love Trump. Their fervor may last or it my dim over the next couple of years. Time will tell.

I don't see much of a difference between them hating him but treating him like they love him and actually loving him. The end result is the same. If they don't have enough of a spine to create distance from him now, they won't magically grow one later.
Fuck, even Republicans that already said they're not running for reelection won't cross Trump. Portman from Ohio claims he's not running, but still voted to declare the impeachment unconstitutional. How is that not an indication that they love him instead of just fearing losing his loyal voters?
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@JeffMurray I am going by what reporters say these Senators are saying behind closed doors. They blame Trump for losing the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. He has single handedly torn their party apart. Yeah, the love him. They have let him put them in an impossible position. If they convict the base will go nuts. If he stays the party continues down this suicidal path.

@Sticks48 Well, not him, the voters. The voters won him the primary and they had to get in line, because that's what Republicans do. Maybe they are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that a racist pile of shit is what near have of the electorate feels represents them. But that's not going away. So they need to deal with it now and take their lumps (which I don't see happening), or continue to deal with the devil and suffer whatever consequences follow.
And I don't trust what the reporters say the GOP Senators said in private. There was talk a couple weeks ago that suggested McConnell may vote to convict and look what happened. They are using the press to manipulate us.

@JeffMurray Al these reporters lie. How thye hell do you think we know3 all the crap we know that went on in the Trump Administration, oh yeah, REPORTERS. If you can't decern thye difference in fake news and real news that is on you.

@Sticks48 Well, obviously the thing about McConnell was fake news and we didn't know it...

@JeffMurray Boy do I need to proof read my own shit! ๐Ÿ™‚ Which part about McConnell? All I do know for sure is the Republicans have put them selves in a box they can't figure out a good way to get out of. I wonder if a viable third party will come out of this. If it does, I belive there is a chance it will split the party permanently.

@Sticks48 The is no such thing as 3 viable parties in our system of government. Either there will be 1 viable party because the other has fractured fairly evenly, or a new one will form that will ultimately absorb most of the old one as it dissolves. If Trump forms a party (I hear he's going with "Patriot Party" and his followers stick with him as I suppose they will, the current GOP will die and everyone in it will either waste their votes voting 3rd party like the Bernie Bros did, or they will get the fuck in line and follow Trump like they have been doing for 4+ years. Republicans love power too much, so I assume it will be the latter. Not sure if Trump will follow through, but if he wants to, he can easily do it.

The McConnell thing was the leaked stuff about him supporting the impeachment trial and maybe even voting to convict himself as a way to excise a toxic Trump from the party. It was all bullshit. It added a little more fuel to the fire of "this trial is unconstitutional" because it was delivered after Trump left office. And 45 fucking GOP Senators voted to not even have a trial. My point is that just because reputable sources report something, and it sounds legit, still doesn't mean it is, especially when the GOP is involved.

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The democrats would have done well censuring Trump in the Senate, letting the Republicans think they caved. They wouldn't have gotten 45 no votes, maybe 10. They could've then have a bipartisan investigation. The left always knows better. They are not the majority of people in this country, not even the majority of democrats.

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