For ME! I don't believe it! Am I allowed to my disbelief without somebody saying it's a fallacy? Why? If you fear your own mortality, cling on to that "possibility" and call my inner thoughts fallacy, if that makes you feel any better.

There goes 30 seconds of my life that I'll never get back.

I'm not being sarcastic. Agnostic Atheist? That would make you an agnostic, but call yourself anything you like. I don't believe in any supernatural phenomena, psychic, clairvoyance, afterlife or any God. It's not a fallacy, it's what I think to be true. What I'm "complaining about" is people like you asking me if I'm being "being sarcastic" just because I espoused godless atheism. Feel free to think whatever you like. Don't answer a question that was never asked.

@barjoe
I'm an agnostic atheist. I have no knowledge that any god exist and I believe in zero gods.

@barjoe I find agnostics to be uber contrarians. Refusing to commit to either side allows them the opportunity to object to both, although I very much agree with your point that if the truth were known, most of them are really wolves in sheep's clothing.

@xenoview Your position is redundant. It is not possible to have knowledge that any gods exist because there is no credible evidence that any gods exist.

@barjoe @LovinLarge

Ah, classic tribalist behavior from you two. Lol.

You both are agnostic too but you don't understand how.

Fine. I'll educate you two morons.
Here's a brief primer on Agnostic Atheism:

You have to distinguish between 'knowing' and 'believing'. Knowing something to be true is different from believing something is true. It's subtle but important.

We can know thing from basic sensory experience, but a single pov experience can be unreliable, so we typically collect a variety of experiences and apply logic to make sense of all of them until we collectively find an explanation that satisfies all the variety of experiences. This is 'knowing' something is true. It's finding a unique unambiguous explanation based on ALL evidence.

Believing something is true does not require such analyses. The truth of the belief doesn't require evidence, can be based on partial evidence, often has multiple potential explanations that are ambiguous.

Now we can talk about agnosticism:

Agnosticism is concerned about what we unambiguously know about God. Atheism is concerned with what we believe is likely true, but we don't really have evidence for it.

Thus one can know that we truly don't know whether gods exists (agnostic), but still believe that it is unlikely gods exist (atheist).

Do you two understand now how someone can be an agnostic atheist?

And that both of you are agnostic atheists?

@MakeItGood don't like random strangers to define me. I don't fucking believe in God. I'M ATHEIST. I didn't call you a moron but you are.

@MakeItGood You certainly like the look of your own typing but I have zero interest in anything you have to say.

Agree 100%

The no atheists in foxhole fallacy has been around since at least WWII.

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Exactly the way I think.

The problem is that humans generally seem to like magical thinking. I used to visit Rick Ross's site which would post articles about cults. I found it eye opening that while most cults had a religious basis, they could also be centered around politics, business, and other nonreligious themes. Michael Shermer wrote about Ayn Rand and her Objectivism movement and discussed the cultish nature of this organization. My feeling is that while religion is illogical - no matter how logical some try to make it sound - human beings will find other subjects to center their irrational devotion on. Or in other words, people can turn nearly anything into a religion.

@RussRAB Thank you, you seem to be describing my theory that humans have a need for membership of some sort, a sense of belonging to something, and childhood indoctrination into religion has met that need for most people and they likely won't relinquish it until they have something to replace it.

Your point is made by the cons on this website who I go after at every opportunity for making factual claims without supporting evidence. Even those nonbelievers don't understand that evidence is the only way to distinguish fact from fiction. My theory is not that they like magical thinking but they don't appreciate the significance of the truth. As proven by the last presidential election, some people will sacrifice the truth for personal benefit.

@LovinLarge ...on your safety in numbers idea...it is very difficult to stand firmly ‘alone’ in our own truth. These people who need to be counted in ‘numbers,’ are often found quoting others to support their assumptions. It takes backbone and lots of practice to stand (out) ‘alone’ on what we believe.

@Freedompath You said it, sister! I've had Christians refuse to ever speak to me again when I told them I was an atheist. I've been in rooms full of people forced to defend myself as the only atheist. I explain my adamance this way: being an atheist is not a choice, it's just a fact.

I don't claim to be a scholar on any of these things. I remember endless discussions with @DangerDave calling me Gnostic Atheist. I'm an Atheist. Period. I don't have to prove my disbelief. I don't even want to hear "evidence" to the contrary. If I need to have these arguments on what I dare call an atheist website, I still have to hide my godlessness.

@barjoe Don't worry DangerDave called everyone that.

@Fernapple I never heard that term until he said it and I never heard it since.

@barjoe I think DangerDave deleted his profile. He became very upset during our discussion and wanted to "call the FBI" on me and "have the site taken down."

Here is the link below: (Because he deleted his profile his comments, of course, are missing.)

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@nogod4me He really freaked on me, because I assert that God and life after death is an impossibility. I don't think I have to prove that there is no Santa Claus, I just know there isn't. I'll say it, there is no God and I won't even attempt to prove it. If you disagree, good for you, I'm not trying to convince anybody of what I know.

@barjoe Yes, he has some issues. I think he is a believer believing in unbelief and calling it agnostisim.

A god cannot exist in contradiction, a god cannot be god and not be god at the same time. This is why these defined gods can be denied.

@nogod4me He liked to call people gnostic as and insult word, yet he pedaled a very gnostic form of humanism himself. In the end he said that he had collected enough on gnostic atheists, for the book about them he is going to write. Bet that will be and entertaining read. ( That's gnostic irony. )

@Fernapple what was more odd to me about the ‘dude,’ was when he came to the ‘mental help group,’....offering comfort, for our hurts and confusion. It was confusing to me.

@Fernapple Ahh yes, the book, he notified me of its existence. I'm sure it will go down in the "anals" of history as an exposé on the "gnostic atheist."