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I haven't checked this morning to see if others have posted on this topic and I am discouraged and upset that these types of things are still happening with barely a whimper or a shrug by the wider community. Do Americans acknowledge how wrong this is or do we just shrug and say it's nothing to do with me? Is this what making America great again really means?

LGBT Community mourns suicide of lawyer David Buckel

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Two Black men arrested in a Philadelphia Starbucks for not ordering while waiting for a friend.

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Angelface 7 Apr 15
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We now know he killed himself as an environmental protest. What a waste. [foxnews.com]

When I was a teenager, married to a soldier in Vietnam; such protests were commonly done by Buddhist monks in government protests. While I don't know the man's pain or reason for doing what he did and cannot comment on it; I have to wonder how much of our feelings come from our western culture?

Fox news is a rightwing, often fictional, conservative mouthpiece. If you're going to get news from them, I hope you are balancing it by looking at other venues as well.

@Angelface I'm not offering any judgment here (except that I think it's a waste of a human life to protest this as he did). I'm not a news junkie in any sense of the word and as this particular article goes, I don't think the facts are in dispute and the article doesn't seem slanted in any way to me. He evidently communicated his reasons for doing this to the NYT, who are quoted in the article.

@IAMGROOT thank you for clarifying. I look at it through a different lens. Before being diagnosed with PTSD due to the circumstances of my adult daughter's 1991 death, I attempted suicide. Obviously, it didn't take, but I was forced into a drug-fueled therapy in which I finally was able to make those doctors understand that medicine and my body's chemistry doesn't precisely follow the doctors' textbooks. We can not know another's pain or reasoning unless we are that person. I still wonder how much of our bias is cultural?

@Angelface Oh man! I am very sorry to hear about your daughter's death and your situation. I have no idea how I would cope if I lost a child (I have two, one is an adult, the other is 16).

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I would like to point out that on this day in 1947 Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in Major League Baseball. It was the start of the civil rights movement - this happened b4 Rosa Parks, Brown vs the Board of Education and the integration in the military.

After the Philly incident we have a ways to go.

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Thanks for posting this. I saw it on facebook. It is truly disturbing. One person tried to defend these men and the police were having none of it. Clearly these men were treated differently.

The grinding prejudice that people who are visably different is ugly and non acceptable. Each of us who do not stand up are just as a big a problem - it normalizes it.

trump and the current administration are making it much worse.

My thoughts exactly!

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During the 2016 primary cycle I was engaged in a discussion with what was one of my best childhood friends over a post I made about the increase in violence towards LGBT's and Muslims. Being highlighted mostly by independent news sources but even some MSM sources at the time they covered Trump so much as they propelled him to the top. He tried to argue I was wrong and was only seeing the few actions being over exposed. When I posted a number of recent articles, which also stated a rise in such, after he made that claim and with a reminder of what he did for a living, his only remark was that those were indeed sad occurrences. He's a cop in a neighboring city. Of Native American decent even. When you have cops that no longer work the streets without every move being micromanaged by a superior shift manager, even one that's descendants were targets of colonialism, they also can become oblivious to the establishments control of the populations managed perception. How can you expect a community to be aware or even care of that in which the few of us keep trying to bring to light?

"Out Of The Illusion "

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The social issues raised as well as other social/ethical issues in our society come about because we as a people fail ,to use scientific methology to challenge our prejudicies and preconceived cognitions. As with religions,the majority of the population presumes their believes are fact and therefore fails to challenge their individual thinking.It is a sad state of affairs when issues concerning the survival of humanity, are presumed to be valid based on prejudice. We need to begin teaching critical thinking early in our schools.

I was active in the sixties and in our hubris we thought we had accomplished so much. All we did was force it underground for a few years until like slime it began bubbling back. Now I hope our young people won't back down as I see another worldwide war in our future, all the signs are there in just about every area in this connected world.

The US alone has been killing our young men and women since Vietnam in a dozen or more continuous unannounced, unclaimed battles, police actions, sanctions, etc.

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I don't think we're so much shrugging as we're exhausted and thoroughly sick of other human beings.

Isn't that a defeatist attitude? I hope by promoting critical thinking we can allow people to rise above their ignorance on all issues.

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We have a population of 300 some odd million people. Horrible things happen daily, and much worse than either of these. Racism/ transphobia are shitty, but you need to consider the fact that the vast majority of people are fundamentally decent.

If so then why aren't they speaking up?

Well, they are. More people talk about/ discuss crimes than commit them. The crime rate is falling, racism is falling, transphobia is dropping. However it's humanity's nature to only care about things that personally affect us. The fact that we're overcoming that nature is rather noble.

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The apparent suicide of the LGBTQ attorney is horrible. This short notification provides no context so I have to assume ths person was in a very, very bad place to feel that ending his life was his only option. So very sad. I saw many of the twitter acknowledgements.

On the Starbucks incident, well, that is just plain wrong. As many of the twitter commenters stated, when you go into SB all you see is folks chilling out. The company apology is nice, but I have to agree that a failure to acknowledge any ownership/wrongdoing or to give any indication that their employees would be disciplined in any way is disappointing to say the least.

It's so hard to believe that this kind of shit can still happen in one of the (for now anyway) freest nations on Earth.

Believe it!

If you want an eye-opener, go on some of the sites where police can let off steam And see why more and more police departments seem to feel the need for more military grade weaponry against their own citizens? Yes there are good cops and yes there is tons of paperwork, undue regulations and us against them mentalities but it is far more prejudge by color, by minority and by neighborhood. Its more open, more prejudge against women as well than from their talking points.

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Today Americans say it has nothing to do with them. Most would say that LGBT was a choice that others make because "they are not right with god and they just want to sin." My proof is in the fact the Evangelicals are always wanting (and claiming) to make gay people straight again. Some bright guy came up with the idea that men just want to wear a dress and rape young girls in the women's restroom. All this because of LGBT in America. I remember when I believed these things myself but not today. I remember unisex restrooms in Germany in the 1960's. They had no problems.

As for the 2 black men in Starbucks it was believed that they came inside simply to use the restroom. Some have said the same could happen if it was McDonald's. I say it would likely have not been noticed so much if it was 2 white men.

What I heard about the Starbucks incident is. they were waiting for a friend and were going to order together. And at least one (or both) asked to use the restroom.

I have been to Starbucks many times. When driving long distances, I pop in, use the restroom, then order. I have met people (sometimes late, at least once, they never showed at all) at Starbucks.

I have never even had anyone approach me when sitting there. I have drank my coffee, and sat there with my laptop or my phone, and not realised the hours that have passed.

I work retail management (and even run stores that have coffee shops in them). I have caught shoplifters. I have trespassed people (usually for shoplifting). IF the police responded to a trespass complaint, they escort the person off-property, no handcuffs needed.

From what I have seen, the police definitely overreacted, and Starbucks chased off potential paying customers for no obvious reason.

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