Let's see your evidence that:

1. "Take away legally owned weapons and the illegally possessed one will continue to proliferate"; and

2. "Guns and other weapons are more of a means of preserving lives than losing them".

@LovinLarge What crust! You present no evidence, only extrapolation and comparisons to unrelated systems; as do also advocates FOR arming.

The USA is a Republic and Federation of sovereign states that those deluded by belief in Democracy simply don't understand. Part of what binds us together is what is codified and protected in the Bill of Rights. Part of the states uniting deal. The central government has no authority to abolish part of the contract unless it is granted by the states.

Centralization has only decayed our freedoms and things are rather 'coming to a head' as a result; hence the strident and desperate calls for reducing and ultimately eliminating our population's liberty to be armed. Want evidence of thwarted crimes by armed citizens? It is ample. Do your own research

@Silver1wun I hate to break this to you Einstein but you saying shit doesn't constitute evidence. YOU made factual claims that you can't support with evidence BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TRUE!

Evidence is how we distinguish between fact and fiction but you cons have no regard for the truth.

@LovinLarge This stated from the self-privileged status of manifest truth in assertions. How convenient. You've proffered no evidence that our protected right to be armed has deprived you of your 'right to life'. Being armed or self-arming isn't something new as a way of maintaining personal safety. It is as old as our 'kind' on the planet and even pre-dates male usurpation of exclusive leadership and relegation of females and children to property status.

We are more physically vulnerable than our animal cousins furnished with superior 'arms' by Nature. Our vulnerability extends to others of our kind who arm themselves; conquering and holding dominion over others by force of arms.

If you choose not to arm, so be it. If a time comes when you are at the mercy of an armed criminal (official or otherwise) , culpability for the outcome will be shared, but not by others like me. We have no authority over you force you to ensure your own safety. You have no authority within Nature or the borders of the United States to compel us to make ourselves more vulnerable.

It isn't a question requiring evidence, only common sense.

@Silver1wun I'm not going to waste my time reading anything you've written until you've supported the factual allegations made in your original comment with evidence because your failure to do so establishes you as a liar.

@LovinLarge By your own criteria you accept a like position. Burdens of 'proof' are on those who assert something. Works the same with the deluded, god worshiping pontificators.

@Silver1wun Except only you alleged alleged any facts, but by all means keep digging.

The Bill of Rights provides for a well-regulated militia. When you show me the regulation for this militia, I will consider your arguments.

The conveniently overlooked "well regulated Militia" part.

Very few guns in the UK but Boris is planning to increase our stockpile of nuclear warheads by 30%. Hail Boris. We are saved.

I'd be happy to look at the evidence that supports your position.

@LovinLarge As a raw statistic, 32% of Americans in the last Gallup poll said they personally own a gun. That's over 100,000,000 people. There were somewhat more than 19,000 gun deaths in 2020. While horrifying, this is a small fraction- around .02%- of the gun owners in the nation. It seems quite clear to me that the vast, vast majority of the people who own guns are using them legally. I take that as a starting point and would be happy to carry on from there, on a day when I don't feel like I have a 24-hour spring flu.

@Paul4747 Sorry Paul, as much as I like you, even you have to cite the source of your stats for credibility.

@Gwendolyn2018 I propose that those individuals should face the harshest penalty the law can provide.

That question is not relevant to someone who has not killed anyone, though. Collective punishment, while biblical, is un-American and unjust.

@LovinLarge Gallup poll, US population

@Paul4747 For a factual claim or statistic to be credible, you must link the exact source and location from which it is derived. There is no other way to determine the legitimacy of the reference.

@Paul4747 gun registration is not punishment in my book,it is common sense. Yes criminals will not register their guns, but I think registration will prevent many suicides and other mentally incompetent people from obtaining guns. They seem to be the ones that do these mass shootings not criminals and I think it's way past time for us to try to stop crazy people who end up doing mass shootings.

I don't appreciate your sexist slur. If you don't have anything of value to contribute to the conversation, zip it.

Please don't like my comments, Texas. You, I can do without.

@LovinLarge "karen" for me is less about someones sex or gender and more about that persons entitlement or their own sense of self superiority. Men are often called Karen too

@Paul4747 I encourage you to use the "block" or "ignore" options if you're offended.

@Tejas I encourage you to be less offensive.

@Paul4747 The posts title is offensive from the start. Pretty much calling a whole group of people who own a tool are unnatural. I'm just giving the same energy im getting.

@Tejas The purpose of your comments is to undermine rather than contribute, because you don't have anything to contribute and are therefore expendable. Bye.

But the point isn't whether you have a use for one, or even whether I have a use for one. The point is, they're legal to own until you misuse them.

The unspoken thought behind laws like this is that all gun owners are potential (even probable) criminals.

@Paul4747 "Use" is exactly the point, and no such unspoken thought exists. If one wishes membership in a community, there will necessarily be infringements on freedoms for the larger benefit.