@Diagoras I saw the video of trump trying to bring it up, they did immediately start booing him. Apparently they don’t care for him if he says something sensible!

@Diagoras, @Redheadedgammy And I don't think he ever brought it up again. That pathetic excuse for a human is more terrified of being unpopular than a middle school kid who gets a pimple on picture day.

@RichCC Yeah focusing just on potential for death is a wrong take. Long COVID might make one wish they died. And how many decades will disabilities however severe or mild linger? Time will tell…a perhaps horrifying story not captured fully by 700000+ deaths in the US alone.

I had Covid twice. I thought I had immunity but I didn’t. Absolute worst thing I ever had. 4 months later I’m still feeling the effects from it

Yes. 0.0006 humans have died from Covid, stop everyone !!!! and thing !!!, get the protest chicken Little sign!!!!. Hardly anyone has a job anyways.

@Castlepaloma In my county (Mineral WV) one of every 255 humans have died from Covid. Still going up. Can't ever go down. Others who didn't die are still suffering, months later. The hospital is full and not accepting anyone but Covid patients.

@mtnhome

There are hot spots and cold spot for covid..
I agree covid won't go down because vaccines will triple the deaths end of this year and since the roll out of last last. The dark winter will be in 10s of millions. Our hearts disease in our area is a 100 times greater deaths than covid. Not counting other areas where other greater disease and virus Heath condition greater than the covid?

Please provide an authoritative source validating your claim that any covid vaccine "hijacks" cell genetic messaging. (B-cells express set antibody sequences before they see antigen. No DNA modification is involved when B-cells are activated to proliferate.)

It is a more efficient approach to combatting the diease

People like you ARE the problem.

@racocn8 Affinity maturation is a possibility which involves somatic hypermutation in a subset of immunocytes. This is a normal process in response to pathogens or vaccines given sufficient conditions. Not even close to the ignorant scare mongering the antivaxxers promote. And it is not remotely similar to what happens with a retrovirus being reverse transcribed and integrated into the cellular DNA. The immune cells do Darwinism, so to speak. Kinda cool stuff actually.

As far as hijacking goes the vaccine mRNA is being translated on ribosomes in rough endoplasmic reticula as a normal cellular process. It isn’t messing with DNA at all at that level. The protein product, spike antigen, will generate a immune response that, if sufficient, will result in somatic hypermutation (ie- DNA changes) that result in better matching. This stays within the somatic cell lineage of certain immune cells and doesn’t get passed to offspring as germline changes.

[ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

A generalization not confined to COVID infection or vaccination:

“Only a small minority of the altered antigen receptors generated by hypermutation have an increased affinity for the antigen. The few B cells expressing these higher-affinity receptors, however, are preferentially stimulated by the antigen to survive and proliferate, whereas most other B cells die by apoptosis. Thus, as a result of repeated cycles of somatic hypermutation, followed by antigen-driven proliferation of selected clones of memory B cells, antibodies of increasingly higher affinity become abundant during an immune response, providing progressively better protection against the pathogen.”

[cdc.gov]

“Multiple studies have noted reduced vaccine effectiveness in older adults (≥60 years) (38, 133-135) or residents of long-term care facilities, compared with general population estimates.(136-138) Compared with younger individuals, persons aged >80 years have been noted to have reduced T-cell responses, lower neutralizing antibody levels, and less potential antibody diversity (somatic hypermutation), potentially giving this group increased risk for susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 infection in vaccinated people. (139)”

Somatic hypermutation scares me as much as a beautiful sunset. It can be a factor too in the much worshipped “natural immunity” the antivaxxers trumpet. The virus can do it. The vaccine can do it. Both indirectly via a quasi-Darwinian process. Not a big deal? Pretty frickin’ awesome IMO!

@PBuck0145
COVID infection is hell of a lot riskier than being vaccinated by mRNA vaccines. Your opinion on what constitutes a real vaccine carries zero weight. Your misconceptions are inconsequential to how the world actually works and can do real harm to others who believe them. It would be funny to see ignorant people make silly assertions in comments sections, presuming they have the expertise to overthrow generations of established knowledge, but these assertions have real world consequences that are not so funny. People die or suffer long COVID.

You couldn’t explain “hijacking of cells' genetic messaging” if you tried. Go ahead. In your own words.

Here’s a primer which refutes the direct incorporation of mRNA vaccine material into DNA:

[webmd.com]

Immune responses to vaccines and pathogens can result in a normal process that changes DNA in certain immune cells, but COVID infection could do that and that would be a “natural immunity” trial by fire. Call me a wussy but I will choose the artificial immunity route myself via vaccines whether against flu, measles, or SARS-CoV-2. mRNA vaccines are just another way of doing things.

@Scott321 I stand corrected. Thanks for the update.

@racocn8 Please provide evidence that you are open to discussing the issue. You are evidently sufficiently intelligent to find the information you request, despite the censorship of the left-wing media.

[medicalnewstoday.com]

Okay. Tell us WHY you are opposed to "hijacking of cells' genetic messaging by the mRNA jabs"? Or why the mRNA jabs are not true vaccines.

@racocn8

1. Straight from the horse's mouth:
   [news.yahoo.com]

2. A "true vaccine" contains a dead or deactivated pathogen or portion thereof. The mRNA inoculation interferes with the genetic messaging of otherwise healthy cells, permanently damaging them.

Reporting of the deaths and problems resulting from mRNA jabs are vigorously suppressed and censored. From the information I have seen, I am not convinced that submitting to the mRNA is any safer than contracting the virus itself.

Another reason for my reluctance is the well-documented objective of the World Economic Forum to use the pandemic as a rationale for imposing the "Great Reset" / "New World Order".
[weforum.org]

Thanks for your response. I agree that the way the World Economic Forum seeks to use the pandemic is concerning. I doubt that they publish their actual intentions, and without actionable information, nothing can be said that doesn't come off as paranoid speculation.

I suspect you are correct in suggesting that the media censors and minimizes the deaths and problems resulting from the mRNA jabs as well as the other vaccinations. I'll suggest they are doing this out of loyalty to the notion that vaccination is believed to be the best strategy to curtail the pandemic. Thus, publicizing the downsides doesn't help that strategy.

From your article: "Malone clarified that he was not discouraging the use of the vaccine but was providing people with as much fair information as he could about their risks."

Addressing the Tucker Carlson's disinformation:

[reuters.com]

@PBuck0145 So does Robert Malone, someone involved in developing the technology used with the mRNA vaccines, call them vaccines? He would know, right? He said quoting your article: “…these are experimental vaccines.” So much for your objecting to calling them that.

And you still haven’t shown how these vaccines interfere with genetic messaging. They merely get muscle cells to express spike protein for a window of time:

[science.org]

@PBuck0145 and [nebraskamed.com]

“The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures.”

@PBuck0145 amazing the stuff you whole heartily believe. The things you post are ridiculous and dangerous. The people you put your trust in are NOT to be trusted.

@Redheadedgammy

A horse is smarter!!

@Redneckliberal How did the saying go. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

@Redneckliberal You can lead a dingbat to horse paste.

@xenoview THATS IT!

Agreed. I am saddened by the violent protests of the lunatics of Melbourne.

@anglophone Me too, and now covid cases in Melbourne are spiraling out of control. Idiots.

@anglophone

Fighting over the greatest cause in the world. Choice to our own health..

cull the herd

@jlynn37 Hopefully we are on the downslope on the final big surge. I was wrong before. After I got my Modernas in March and April I was looking forward to normalcy. If the current surge drops hard and the deaths hopefully stop I don’t even know if it is appropriate to sigh and catch my breath. I almost started to go to restaurants again the last time I had hope. Then we got cold cocked.

@Scott321 I am referring to more of American life than the vaccines or the present virus.

Seems like the millions dead around the planet also didn't get your inexisting conspiracy moronic memo.

Or you could live in WV where only 40% re vaxxed. Or live in my county (Mineral), where only 30% are and that's probably the most we'll get, despite the hospital full and one of the highest national rates of death. So be it. They won't be voting in 2-years.

OK, I'll step in and call them stupid. I'm in about the reddest, least vaccinated, hardest-hit by Covid and stupidest state in the US (WV) and I know stupid when I see it. Being across the lake doesn't affect the poster's wisdom. He's right.

they fell for the lies and propaganda facebook and other like apps let go through and they believed trump although I can't see how they did