People that spread misinformation on here or online and public figures/ or the general public about Covid that can harm others or is an anti-vaxxer/anti-masker type will get the sharp end of my keyboard. To date, I find the people on Agnostic to be kind and caring. In general, people like us who don't believe in the God Fraud claptrap are a better class of people. And 100% smarter. In short, I far more trust the people on here who I have never met than those who profess to "love Jesus." People who told me "you can trust me, "I'm a God fearing person" will be the first to screw you over. And that is a signal to get away from them asap.
Mark Twain wrote:
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
I just wrote on another post. "Religion is all about training yourself to accept delusions, and when once you have trained yourself to accept one, the same skill works perfectly for all the others." Including the delusion that you are honest and caring, even when you are being fraudulent and selfish.
I think it mostly comes down to luck. Had you or I been born into a fundamentalist Muslim or Christian environment, for example,then we would have been trained up to be addicted to religion. That would have been the common wisdom we were surrounded by and immersed in. So perhaps we “unbelievers” should have more sympathy for the religious in our midst, as opposed to a sense of smug superiority, because the vast majority of them did not consciously choose the religion they identify with. That choice was denied them, probably starting at a very young age. So there, but for the grace of good fortune, go you or I.
@NostraDumbass - Any number of us here were born into fundamentalist religions and endured the indoctrination you mention. Some of today's prominent nonbelievers were such as Bart Ehrman and Dan Barker.
@RussRAB Religion, like any other addiction, can be overcome. But, statistically speaking, most people born and raised in a particular religion will remain in the fold, primarily due to peer pressure and coercion I would suggest.
When I left Mormonism, I spent some time on a former Mormon bulletin board. Some posters reported that more scams were committed on people in Utah where Mormons have been concentrated than anywhere in the US. The reason is that Mormons are taught to trust other Mormons because they are supposed to be more h9nest than other people and (imo) Mormons are taught they are supposed to have the Holy Spirit to guide them - to tell them what the truth is con earning all things. In the end, it's BS, and Mormons are vulnerable to being deceived by a con man claiming to be a Mormon.
Don't worry, we are all far from perfect, hang around here long enough, and you will be convinced we are far from vastly superior to all believers. We may or may not be smarter, but we are definitely better at critical thinking and have greater moral courage than most believers. In other words, we are more comfortable and open about being ourselves, even if we are outnumbered, than most believers, who tend to freak out if they are outnumbered or confronted about being out of the mainstream.
I can agree with you fully because I am an atheist who studied to be a preacher in earlier life. In the end there simply was no evidence for gods. I'm not sure this makes me smarter than believers but it gives me less fear. I have a religious friend that I first met when we were kids. Sometimes we talk on the phone and if it becomes his dinner time his wife wants him off the phone ASAP. He tells me they are going to eat now and as we hang up I hear him praying, "we love you lord, oh, yes, we really do." I find it funny and all a big crock. Is he convincing an invisible being that he loves him? Is this desperation? Most likely he has more stress than I do.
About your statement "we" are "100% smarter" than those that believe "the God Fraud," as you put it:
Firstly, the fact we have different beliefs doesn't make agnostics/atheists smarter. RIGHT about things like Covid, yes, although some of "us" are just as ignorant as "they" are, which proves my point.
About god? For the millionth time, we're not all atheists. Speaking strictly for myself, while I agree 'god' is almost certainly not a celestial being, I don't necessarily dismiss the word outright, or cede it to the religionists. I simply don't know if there's a 'god' or not.
A "fraud?" That's a little harsh, isn't it? "Fraud" is a deliberate misrepresentation, a criminal deception, for personal gain. WRONG, perhaps, but a "fraud?" Granted, SOME professing faith in the giant cloudman in the sky ARE frauds, using the pretense of belief to cheat people out of money. But I think most religionists genuinely believe what they are saying.
Misguided, brainwashed, sure, but stupid frauds? I think that's going too far.
Maybe a niggling point, but there it is.
Ok, then it is a Fraud God; either way, you say it, it's still the same claptrap. We could even be a software program, but I know with all my heart that nobody in the sky gives a fudge about us on earth. We're on our own. And even if there were a supreme being up there, it's a slum landlord. The misery I see in the children's faces from hunger and disease while many have billions makes me sick with their giant 100 million dollar homes. For sure, the world will never be the same again, and billions may die like the dinosaurs. There is too much greed and stupid in the world to work together as that is what it will take. And that is not going to happen until it's too late for humanity. I see the future clear as crystal, and far fewer people will be here. I'm sure society will survive but not the business model we have today. Out with the old and in with the new. I see a utopia vastly different from this mess, and we created it. The sad part is we can feed, house, clean water for all humanity and make this world a utopia for all. Instead, we like building rockets and machines to kill each other. None of it protected us from a bit of a little bug, and we still have not learned. WWIII is going to happen very soon because of stupid leaders.
No made-up guy in the sky will do fudge for us. Just like the starving children I see dying daily. If we can't work together, then we'll die together. Frankly, we brought it on ourselves. And in a word: Greed. The older I have gotten, the more I know it's a crock of sugar. Most of us can be good to each other, and there are many beautiful people in the world, but a few rotten apples will screw us. Religion is the most destructive force ever concocted by men and maybe our downfall. I'm sure the Cosmos is littered with planets like ours that look like Mars now because they prayed to a stone God. I'm sure you're a nice person, but just because you believe in something does not make it true.
@Tourirst I don't believe in anything.
Like I said elsewhere, the Club of Rome ran some computer models in 1972 and published a book called The Limits of Growth, which you might have heard of. It's worst-case scenario if we did nothing would a catastrophic crash some time around 2040. They recently took a look at the situation 50 years later and concluded, nope, haven't done much of anything. So supposedly industrial output and food production will stall as non-renewables become scarce, prices will skyrocket, the climate will worsen and world population will drop off a cliff.
So it sounds like we won't need a third world war, though if all this comes true we might have one anyway as this nightmare unfolds.
We'll see.
My only consolation is I'll probably be gone by then!
But you know, you just have to know, that anti-vaxxers (or climate change deniers, etc.) are the heroes of the story in their own minds. They, like the religious, are true believers who really do think they have cracked the code and accessed a higher truth that the rest of us have been blinded to. We are “lost in darkness” or victims of misinformation, not they. As for personal morality, religionists tend to believe their own propaganda, which continuously informs them that they are at the top of the moral pyramid. Their certainty in this regard is pretty much just a trained response. That is to say, groupthink.
Zen often hands them events of personal or social magnitude that knocks 'em off the track. It will with these Evan's and such, too, in time. Do humans have enough time for this? I think not but that's more of an unfortunate matter than an historically odd one.
Some of the most moral people I've met have been non denominational Christians, they just don't have a critical bone in their body is the issue. Also most of the worst people I've ever met have been Christians of some sort, the laugh now cry later type of people. Makes sense when 98% of inmates claim to have religious beliefs.
Samuel Langhorne Clemens was America's greatest writer imo, and a wonderful man!