Are you complicit without compunction in the objectification of women and men?
Does the media portray images that are counter to equality and health?
What aspects of the objectification debate do you find most galling?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.It seems as though the more time that passes the more people want to be objectified. A passing glance at any social media platform will tell you that. So anymore, it seems silly to talk about it like it's some horrible thing being done to people instead of the personal goal of almost everyone.
ChestRockfield
Level 8
Nov 18, 2021
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The fact that people even talk about it in this backward, sexually repressed, overly Christianized, hillbilly country in the 21st Century. Sex is a wonderful thing. How consenting adults express their sexuality is no ones business but those involved. If one doesn't like a particular activity, don't do it. If one doesn't like porn, don't watch it. If someone wants to pose nude, that is their business. If someone wants to perform in a porn shoot, that is their business. If one is not forced to do these things, it is legal and definitely not immoral. This is not complicated.
Sticks48
Level 9
Nov 17, 2021
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Sexism isn't complicated.
@waitingforgodo If you are talking about discrimination based on gender, it is not complicated.
Nice alliteration there.
"Pornography" only happens when the participants are forced against their will to be involved. I am against all aspects of human servitude and sex trafficking. Therefore I do all I can within my resources to be sure that my sources of entertainment are all legitimate and legal.
But within those bounds, I will never cease worshiping female beauty in all its aspects. If you want to call that objectification, go ahead. Just know that I worship both the inner and outer beauty of all people, but especially ladies.
Paul4747
Level 8
Nov 17, 2021
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Both the member who posted these questions and the member who made this comment know that they are 2 of my favorites. I am just home from the hospital and will be asleep soon but I can't let this one pass. Your definition of pornography is grossly outdated, unsupported and disappointing.
Earlier today there was a post condemning one of the groups here that apparently shows pictures of naked women for people to exchange comments about their physical features with no reference to "inner beauty". This is the very definition of the objectification of women, whether conscious or unconscious.
That poster was censored without notice or reason and whoever did it doesn't have the balls to credit their work. This is what galls me the most about the debate, that in many circles it's not even being had because in large part it is not being acknowledged to exist.
@LovinLarge Unfortunately there is no objective definition of "pornography" and never will be; it's extremely personal and individual. I won't try to change your view, I only hope you can accept that mine is one I've come to over the years. Modeling of any kind has an objectifying element to it, but it's the viewer who either does or does not remember that models are people first.
And I hope you're resting well and feel great when you wake up!
If I'm understanding your query correctly, I'd say yes, porn profit comes from those who in the first place are willing to take their clothes off to sexually excite others. Most of those who do such do not consider themselves to be objects. In my early 20s I entertained at some hen parties and took my clothes off to excite the women at said parties, and certainly did not consider myself an object.
SpikeTalon
Level 9
Nov 17, 2021
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I try not to debate. If one says yes and the other says no, who wins? As for pornography, how would you stop it? This would be like the drug war or prohibition. Media is another thing. They are the ones who report stories for profit and often create them or make them up. History is in a book somewhere but all history is the opinion of the writer.
DenoPenno
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Nov 17, 2021
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