Quite often it's date rape, marital rape, sometimes incest and other violence against women, or perhaps a fun night gone too far, or birth control that failed, as it does a small percentage of the time.

It is a huge invasion of privacy to have to divulge such private information and could also endanger (further) the safety of the female. I don't envision many men being charged, nor women divulging the damaging information about their attacker, friend or even husband. The whole thing is just sad.

@Julie808 Hi, I agree that there are serious downsides to my idea, but I wonder how far would anti-abortion legislation would get if the father were to be held fifty per cent responsible?

@Paul_Clamberer Shit. If men were involved in pregnancy, there'd be an abortion clinic in every town.

@twill Steinman said, " If men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament."

Amazon sells it. They even have a generic now.

There are places they can fly that are closer than Hawaii.

If the red states begin doing that at their borders, it will be just like The Handmaid's Tale, where border guards on the US side were stopping fleeing Americans and shooting them with automatic weapons if they tried to run from them, and those that didn't would be captured and sent to prison camps.

@TomMcGiverin I haven't seen THT but take your word of it. Yes, it will be the outbreak of Civil War. That might be good (if Dems emerge the winners). I'll try to take out one or two before they kill me.

@rainmanjr I'm not very optimistic that our side would win. And I don't think the Dem Party really cares that much about civil rights and liberties. The conflict really boils down to the White Christian fascists against the antifa and anti-theocrats. I think a civil war would likely end with the South and Midwest being one country and the rest of the continental US, with the exception of a few western states, being another country. I have little confidence that the cops and military would be very much allied with our side. I think they would stand by the sidelines at best, or even side against us with the fascists.

@TomMcGiverin Oh, I agree completely. That's part of why I plan to get out early. Why would I want to struggle through that Hell for such a payoff? No, sir. Goodbye is all I'll have to say.

@rainmanjr If I had more money, and a partner to leave with, I would do it. But I have family ties, really, and my local friends, who are my whole emotional support system, are not going to leave, so I'm stuck.

@TomMcGiverin I understand. When I say "get out early" I mean to be shot and die.

@rainmanjr Agreed. If it comes to that, I will gladly take up a gun and shoot it out in the streets with these pricks. I would rather die that way than sitting at home waiting for them to come get me and either shoot me or put me in a camp.

That statement belies a complete lack of understanding of the issue as a whole.

Contraception fails with alarming frequency.
Far more than most people even realize.

Further, it shouldn't even matter anyway.
No one is remotely qualified to judge any woman's reasons for choosing abortion. Not ever.

It doesn't matter how a woman gets pregnant.
All that matters is that it is HER decision whether she chooses to gestate that pregnancy or not.
How anyone else feels about it is 100% irrelevant. They don't get to weigh in, or interfere.

@KKGator I guess my wife & I have been lucky. Contraception never failed us; over many decades.

Least you continue to read this with prejudice I tell you I am very Libertarien. As such I firmly believe the Govt. has no right to tell us what we can put into our bodies or what we can do with our bodies.

Having said that, first, if the Supreme Court rules as the leaked memorandum indicates, that does not make abortion illegal. Each State will make laws making abortion legal or illegal, so any argument you may have will be with each individual State.

Second you ignore the other side's argument as if it didn't exist, in fact you infer no other argument has a right to exist. That position ignores reality.

@Alienbeing I'm not ignoring the other side's "arguments", I'm negating their validity completely.

No one, especially not male politicians--at ANY level, have any right legislating women's bodily autonomy.

THAT is the reality.

@KKGator Actually all elected Representatives have a duty to weigh in. We certainly don't agree with all they have to say, however their sex does not relate to their duty to perform in their elected position.

@Alienbeing Again, NO.

@KKGator Your choice, but you'll never win with that position.

@Alienbeing It's not about "winning".

It is about our right to have bodily autonomy.
It is our RIGHT to not be subjected to anyone else's beliefs or feelings.
The right to choose our medical care should never be legislated.

I will NEVER acquiesce to control by anyone.
Nor will I accept anyone having their bodies controlled by the government or any religion.

@KKGator I would think you would want to win that argument, not just talk about it.

@Alienbeing You are falsely assuming that I am just talking about it.

@KKGator Perhaps you can see why I might fallely assume that whe YOUR last reply of 5/10 said "It's not about "winning".

In any event, good luck in your quest.

The coastal states will be shut off from vehicle transportation of pregnant women by firewall of red states. That's going to cause some economic turmoil for the coastal states and make importation of goods, by truck, harder. Utah cares much less about Western wildfires than liberal states, as well. A whole lot of shaking is about to begin.