If we followed your advice, Trump would have gotten his second term.

@racocn8 I don't agree. Because of the corporate Dems like Biden, Trump will probably get his second term in two years anyway, so what is your point? What is the difference? You need to read Chris Hedges. We will likely have civil war and theocratic dictatorship, because most voters have kept voting for the duopoly and corporate Dems. We have already lost our chance to save any democratic protections, so what is there to lose at this point by going for broke? If most people support it, we might actually get out of this mess, but we sure as hell won't get out of it by continuing the status quo of voting for a corrupt Dem Party... Following your advice and keeping faith with the Dem Party, is what gave us Trump in the first place. When, in your opinion, is the time ever finally right for the left to push for revolution thru dumping the Dems and fighting back against the duopoly? Do we wait another forty years? You probably still believe the bullshit that Nader lost the election for Gore in 2000, rather than the SC....

So because progressives listened to Putin's bots, giving the election to Trump, that's the fault of the corporate Democrats? Progressives like you gave Trump his win, and bear major responsibility for the loss of Roe. And, you continue to claim the obvious false equivalence between the corporate Democrats and the Republicans? Yeah, Democrats and Republicans, good people on both sides. Nader's run enabled the SC to do what they did. Protest voting is what loses elections, and that is all it is, a protest vote; a wasted vote.

@racocn8 Wrong, the Russiagate stuff is fairly tales, if you believe that shit won the election for Trump, I am not going to bother arguing with you. You are a good guy, Howard, but you drink too much of the DNC Kool-Aid. Not going to keep arguing the Nader bullshit with you either. Obviously you are fine with the duopoly. If you are, you are just as deluded as the Trumpers. Both major parties are equivalent on the things that matter the most, namely the issues that matter to their mostly shared corporate donors. Ever watch a presidential debate during the general election? Those issues that matter to the corporate donors are never discussed during those debates. Why? Not just because the corporate media moderators for the debates don't want them discussed, but because neither party wants them discussed, because it would show how much the two parties are the same on those issues. And the two major parties control the debate commission and have total control over the debate format and ?s...

"Wrong, the Russiagate stuff is fairly tales..." And your basis for dismissing half of the Mueller Report is what? Your position is like the QAnon of the GQP: extremist, conspiratorial (denying Russia's involvement), absolutist, and paranoid (fearing D as much as R and equating them).

@racocn8 Hillary lost, not because of anything progressives did, but because she was a terrible, corrupt candidate, who the working class hated and voted for Trump instead of her. She scorned working class voters and ignored their grievances. Trump didn't, he appealed to them, even tho he was lying. The DNC loyalists always blame the progressives for all their own fuckups and losses. They need to look in the fucking mirror...

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Blaming progressives for Clinton's failure is absurd. Most held their nose and voted for her. I did myself. They need to stop putting blame where it doesn't belong. Its not helpful.

In contrast, way more Hillary supporters stayed home or voted republican in 08 after her loss to Obama than sanders supporters who refused to vote corporate dem in 16.

I think we could have had a female president years ago.it just had to be the right female. Hillary was too much of the status quo as far as a corporate Dem went.

@WilliamCharles I actually think a moderate Repub woman, back when moderate Repubs still existed, might well have been electable as prez in the past, unlike Hillary....