That's right, rather than looking at their own fault also . They dump the blame on Putin as their excuse. Maybe there is in everyone a bit of Hitler. After a cold and starving winter, I'm sure people will come up with better idea's and action.

Geography means the cheapest non-European gas comes from Russia. Now Europe is dependent on others which will need to transport it eg more oil spills and inefficient energy supply. Now Europe will be beholden to others

F'n neocons. Used to be Republican but now it's the tolerant left run by the undemocratic DNC. Just annoys me media has jumped on this nuclear threat but the wankers think it will be used in Ukraine. The war will come to you if that happens. You have a senile president and a dickhead VP. Luckily the 3rd in line won't be Pelosi for much longer, another psych dickhead.
Who would you nominate for the peace prize, Biden the unifier? What a huge mistake he was, voter regret is high.
It's really got me fucked why the assurance was not given to Putin that Ukraine would not be invited to join NATO, could have avoided all this. Then at a later date, after Putin is gone, NATO could renege on that pledge. Done it before after all.
Blowing up that pipeline will be the downfall of whoever did it for that was a gangster/ fascist act, not defending anything but instead taking out the competition not for ideological reasons, but for money.

Besides if the drone King Obama can get a gong, why not Putin?

@puff Good thing you don't live in the states. We don't need another MAGA Republican. I agree with you about the pipeline, it will be Putin's downfall.

@barjoe I didn't know that and don't really care what people in other nations think of ours. Thanks for filling that in. My read on @Puff is that they're angry and see how most people seem to act the same for their tribe. I see it, too, so am sympathetic toward it but I clearly care which side wins. There is a greater point and preference for direction on my part. Democrats come out on winning side of it but I think they are silly, as well. @Puff makes a good point about NATO. Ukraine isn't of such designation so the strategy of declaring it off bounds for expansion might have worked. I doubt it, Vlad wants the pipeline land, but it might have. Another thing humans do that's silly is consider what might have been. I really only care about what is and how that might be improved. In the case of Ukraine I'm afraid it might be Midnight for the Nuclear Clock. Vlad has staked his entire everything on this and murderous Dictators don't often hedge. Hopefully he gets knocked off by another Oligarch who then releases Navalny.

@rainmanjr The whole idea of Nord I & II was to bypass Ukraine, which has proved to be a very problematic transit point, probably because they appoint mungbeans as their board members.

@puff IDK about the details but I think that pipeline is what Crimea area is all about. If Putin can cause a meltdown on a non-windy, or North Easterly windy, day then that would solve his problem. If any radiation were to contaminate a NATO country he'd have war. That might not be avoidable if Ukraine attacks his new territory, however, and I'll bet they do.

@rainmanjr I'm sure they will, all good, it's Russia proper I'm talking about. The West is supplying weaponry with the ability to reach Moscow from Ukraine. If they use that ability.........that's what worries me because then the "all means possible" comes into play.

@puff POTUS Joe is trying to avoid that but it's a legit concern. I tend to think it won't matter because Ukraine only has to strike an annexed property to start war.

@rainmanjr If Ukraine retakes it's land but decides to push on, that's what worries me. You will see a huge turnaround in Russia re support for the war.
Tactically, you would want to establish lines before winter sets in. I think fighting will intensify in the next months. Which side will gain? Who knows
PS Ukraine has been in civil war since 2014, so war won't be "started" as such.
PSS I do like irony and Putin's annexation of Ukraine regions is clearly illegal..........but so was the coup that started the civil war. I know two bads don't make a right but I do find the illegal blame game quite amusing.

@puff I'm saying that Putin will act the victim, and declare war/renewed war, if Ukraine strikes at any of these annexed lands. They are now the Russian border. In fact, that was undoubtedly the expectation in annexing them. He then declares sanctions as crimes since the offending action is over and demonstrated, by vote, to have been necessary. The illegal blame game is almost as old as prostitution.

@barjoe instead you've got another gangster Democrat. As I keep pointing out Republicans & Democrats the opposite sides of the same #BadPenny. #BadPenny your name is USA.

Europe has already lost.

@puff

US thinks they will destroy Russian economy. Russia is already trading well with the East. It the westized countries are done for.

@Castlepaloma China's planting forests. Agree the colonial based West is in rapid decline and the BRIC countries will soon rise up. Europe is in for a harsh winter..

@puff

Been saying since the the BRICS was formed, not too long ago. Hitler was most impressed on how Americans created the greatest Genocide in human history to the American natives Since Americans largest ethnic group are Germans, they are the same people who are at it again. Along with even creating civil wars within themselves again. Asia will be going somewhere by putting their foot down, westernized countries finally have to understand they don't own everything.

@puff, @Castlepaloma China accounts for over 1/2 of the coal used in the world so they will have to plant a lot of trees to offset that.

@Castlepaloma, @puff Yes Europe has already lost and we in the US are going to lose to if we don’t get rid of the looney democraps!

You guys should get married.

Your the one who appears to be stupid.

@barjoe we are individually married to the concept of creating a civilised world that excludes American thuggery & thugs.