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Is church decline something to celebrate? That depends

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xenoview 8 Nov 3
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As the article demonstrates, the only thing that can be done at a church that cannot be done anywhere else is the "forgiving" thing. I've never understood that. What are people doing that needs to be forgiven and why aren't they simply making amends to the person or people they've harmed? Otherwise, isn't the "forgiveness" just a way to absolve themselves of the responsibility for the harm they've done?

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The author conflates religion with organisations based on religion. That is a failure of cognition.

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People may not be attending church, but they may subscribe to social media, blogs or podcasts that attract their potentially gullible minds, ripe for the plucking, and for immersing into something new and different, maybe good uplifting inspirational or maybe something dark and dangerous. It could go either way.

They just need their biases & beliefs confirmed, don't they?

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Feels like we need some sort of institution other than the school system to help with social cohesion. Somethings is really wrong in our society. Maybe there needs to be a flurry of well designed atheistic/scientific/humanist religions. I don't think we should give up just because we haven't seen any good religions yet.

What's it called when someone does things over and over again expecting a different result?

There is no reason to create atheistic, scientific or humanist religions. Those concepts don't need a religion to be validated, gods do.

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Pure bullshit. Society in general will be much better off without religion.

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One thing religion provides, is a sense of belonging and community. Outside of religion I can't think of any other system that teaches its members to think in terms of "what is best for the community", even if religion is often wrong about what is best.

Humans evolved as "herd animals" in the sense that our ancestors gathered in groups for reasons of safety. The urge to belong to a community is a hard wired instinct for many people, and belonging to a religion fulfills their need to belong and it provdes them with a sense of comfort and safety, even if it is (mostly) illusory.

Unfortunately, I can't think of any other societal institution that fulfills the instinctual need to belong in the same way religion does. Which is a shame because religion really isn't a good thing. It just fulfills an animal instinctual need.

Dadly, until there is some other way of fulfilling a person's need to belong, religion will always be there to fill the gap.

Bullshit. Sense of community only churches, what a load of crap. Want to belong, join the armed forces, any secular lodge, that bullshit that only religions can fulfill anything is the dumbest thing people can say, unless it's to kill the ones from the other religions that are not the true religion. it's this kind of idiotic belief that is used by religious people to defend their existence.

@Mofo1953 I hope you are right about there being other organizations which provide a sense of community and belonging.

@snytiger6 no need to hope, look at the evidence, Google non religious, secular organizations or communities and you can verify the evidence.

@Mofo1953 I don't think internet communities provide the same thing as in person communities. Humans didn't evolve to interact virtually, but to interact personally... in person.

I am actually worried about how virtual interaction will likely leave many people feeling more alone, if they have almost no in person interactions. I was thinking about how there seems to be a correlation between how much screen time a person has, TV, Computer and phone, and how as it has increased, so have mass shootings. The correlation is there, but I really don't see a way causation could be proven, as you can't go back in time to get data that hasn't been recorded. My thoughts are that the more screen time a person has the more isolated and alone they feel, because we did not evolve to interact virtually, but we evolved with in person interaction, and virtual interaction does not really give the same sense of self worth and emotional validation that one can get form in person interaction(s). Also, if a person gets most of their validation from a virtual world, they may be out of step with the real world.

I may not be beign clear about my concerns, but my thoughts are still forming and developing about the possible down side(s) of people becoming overly dependent on technology as their primary way to interact.

@snytiger6 you are falling like a lost sheep in the church crap. You have not googled as I told you, none are "internet" communities, they are all bonafide groups that meet in person. Talk about being brainwashed, there are no downsides if religions disappear as they should, only positive outcomes. For one, no brainwashing.

@snytiger6
I am definitely with you on that. Interacting face to face can be extremely powerful. I met so many people at my last job and would hold up a line of people to give hugs to people that had become friends and better than family to me. The people I have met and known for years online have all drifted away.

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Celebrate? Who is throwing the party?

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I'm happy religion is on the decline in the US. Religion and religious leaders are bad for humanity.

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Since you asked......I know of none that do more good than harm....teaching altruism, and looking forward to life after death, is evil

Teaching altruism is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned, esp. in our toxic culture in America of hyper individualism, greed, and selfishness. What are you, some Libertarian or conservative? If so, that explains a lot about how you are against altruism. It's the lack of it that is leading us to civil war soon, as well as destroying our country for decades, among other reasons.

@TomMcGiverin Neither......I just don't believe in selflessness, and teaching altruism, or the sacrifice of self to benifit another is evil...here's something to think about....to sacrifice yourself for another is the highest form of selflove....

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I think it is good. I know quite a few people who don't go to church, but still believe in God, and they are really good people. They don't need a church to have faith.

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It all depends on the content and character of each church or the denomination it may be a part of. Some serve some social good and some don't.

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As a woman, I celebrate any decline in the poison that is religion.

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I would say yes but there is always something there waiting in the wings. In America right now it is the fascist Religious Nationalism that is raised its ugly head. Similar things in Brazil and other countries.

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Billions of people depend on some sky daddy/ies to regulate their lives. Xian hindi muslim they aren't ready to live without that constraint.
Hundreds of generations of natural selection, thats what so much of humanity is hardwired for. The bulk of humanity still isn't ready to not have a shepherd.
To have that all change in 6 or 7 generations is too much change. It will happen eventually if this planet of war hungry monsters can survive that long.

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I say yes!!

Me too!

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