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This post is undoubtedly selfish. i joined this community in late 2017. I've been around here a little while and want to say that many of the members here have become friends of the online sort, and even a few who i might consider less "rosy", but i suppose that's healthy too.
So I'm gonna take advantage and say my say. Perhaps so some may understand where im coming from. There is some stuff here about my life's living and searching and hopefully where i am today. there are some thoughts about what i have experienced in this community and difficulties with "belief" and the lack of it. very much my own take on it, my opinion. I'm quite confident some will share some, perhaps not much, however, like I said, it is a selfish endeavor. Please accept that i intend no offense, but it could happen. but that's beside the point.
I grew up in a smallish town, in the south, bible belted from the crib. a very literal, conservative strain of the traditions here, Church of Christ. it's funny now thinking about the things that make one "denomination" distinct from another. no dancing, no instrumental music, observing communion every week vs. monthly or special occasions etc. gotta keep an eye on how short those skirts get. if you get close enough to measure with a ruler, you get a better look.
Not to get all scrambled up I'll try and say this simply. In all the years thru that life, despite how hard I tried, i never experienced any "connection" to god. i amost became convinced i was somehow "broken" or not "given" to the effort. I thought i saw that connection all around me, in friends, my community, even in some unsavory, non-churchgoer types in town thru a fear they seemed to carry. i could see what i wanted, as i still do if I'm true to it.
i put myself through all the standard tribulations of alcohol and such, got pissy, wanted to feel mistreated, but honestly if my folks had raised some other way it would mean they didn't care. they have always been the most giving sharing people. Patient, generous, loving, supportive, brave, all that stuff kids need from somewhere, they still are and i can trust will be.
i can't explain, how but i negotiated those paths without becoming a "pretending believer", just to belong, nor a dismissive short sighted type dedicated to destroying other's faith because its not for me. An incredibly selfish thing some will try. i do not yet know. it is of no matter now anyway, I'm here, wherever that is.
My experience here on the site makes me want to say this stuff. Some won't like it i figure. Practicing science is being just smart enough to grasp that you've been wrong all along. Searching, expecting evidences for or against gods existence is as stupid as it gets. it's remarkable many can't/won't get that. bright inquisitive folks stuck and determined to stay stuck until forever. If you're gonna go with lack of evidence as proof of no god, you are bound to endless wandering in a land of fear and denials. i know you may wish to tell it to yourself, but my opinion is different. you can't/won't accept that you aren't given the assurities of Halloween candy, and xmas morning.
So, what is god? who knows? it don't matter. god is not necessarily any "mind", any "entity", not some fiction we've dreamed up to organize our social constructs, justify our lives, to make everything matter. we would be better off perhaps realizing we don't have and will not have an understanding of "god" in its most simple form. thats just dumb, kinda arrogant really.
that's enough for tonight. maybe more another time. I'm kinda tuckered. sleep well and wake better.

hankster 9 Oct 26
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I don't care what other people think. I'm not trying to convince anyone that god doesn't exist, I don't want to explain my view that anything supernatural is an impossibility. When I tell people I'm an atheist they usually either agree with me or freak out, so I rarely tell people. But they feel perfectly okay to share their fairy-tale religion and I have to listen to that.

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Thank you for your thoughts. As someone mentioned in a reply, we are all here because we question the intentions, foundations and purpose of religion. I personally believe that religion was constructed and designed by power hungry individuals and groups to

  1. Explain away the things we do not understand
  2. Give people hope and faith that there is a holy father guiding their life
  3. And mainly as a means of controlling the masses through fear of reprisal and promise of reward

Ergo, god is an imaginary psychopathic schizophrenic entity

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I think we're all in different stages of belief, non-belief, questioning, and I'd say that I'm done with all that and just like to practice what we do know to be good and ponder on what we don't know yet.

My feeling is that anyone's "god" is really just an amalgamation of all that we do not know, so is simply the mystery. To feel that we can name that "god" and think we can "know" anything about it, what it thinks, what it commands is silly and arrogant.

There have been stories about many gods and creation ideas over the millenia. Who is to say if any of them are true. If one is true the others are false. Why fight over that we can not know...

Some people might like "this story" or "that story" and that's okay, whatever comforts them or give them hope is fine with me, BUT when liking a story becomes dogmatic belief, imposing those beliefs on others who may not share the same beliefs, problems are bound to happen between the oppressors and the oppressed.

Believing a story just because it's old and has been told and retold, doesn't make it true, good or helpful, especially if it prevents curiosity, innovation and the urge to seek knowledge.

Seems like today's religions will be tomorrows myths, and while they may be interesting and we might learn some things from them, they were written for a different time and should not rule our contemporary lives. That's what our secular civil law and democratic government process is for. We can learn from history and move forward with more peaceful and compassionate intent. Don't need a religion or a god to do that, in my opinion.

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There are as many gods, as there are people who believe in them, because god is just the name people give to their own inner desires. That is why god is the one person who never disagrees with anyone, because you create your imaginary friend in your own image.

You Hankster I would say therefore, are an honest man, lacking in hubris and vanity. Your god therefore is simply honest doubt, and it lacks a name because we name our gods after ourselves, so that his name is always narcissus.

Honest people never find a named god, because they look to find god in their own inner goodness. Where it is really only in the inner selfish, petty and vain infant, who needs an imaginary friend, because real people are not good enough, that you find a named god.

( That may be a bit cryptic, need interpretation, and a bit flattering, sorry, but I would need to write pages if not. )

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A huge part of the problem rests with people having different notions of god according to their life experience and their internal dialogs. However, the definitions of god do narrow within the beliefs and practices of specific sects. Some definitions run into trouble when it comes to evidence, and both lack of evidence or evidence for how things came to be, can argue against those definitions.

The notion of 'proof' certainly requires a much higher standard of information. Usually, proof is reserved for mathematics or those physical tests that can be done to the point of extinguishing doubt.

The BIG question is how certain features of reality do challenge the notion of strictly natural origins. The claims of fine tuning, elegant physical equations, and material symmetries pose challenges to the mind. Along with the latter is how some aspects of reality challenge our comprehension(wave-particle duality, the nature of the mind, higher dimensions of geometry). However wonderful our minds are, they remain decidedly limited in many respects, and we resign ourselves to having no prospect of gaining ultimate truth.

@hankster I essentially agree with your suggestion that one cannot get beyond merely asking the question. However, 200 years ago, one might well take that position, with one of the basic questions being how we came to be. Along comes Darwin who doesn't have all the answers, but provides enough of a framework that a significant amount of 'how we came to be' does get an answer.

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