My autistic son worked hard for UPS in his 20s as a package loader, and put himself through college. I offered to help him, but he insisted on doing it himself. He's 34, but only now about to graduate from college, because it took him a while, but that's okay. He supports himself. I did help him buy a house, but he works hard in addition to going to college. He maintains a 3.8 GPA as a survey engineering major, and has applied to 60 job openings for when he graduates. He's held high-paying internships every summer since he started college. He overheard his teachers at his special school saying he would never be able to hold a job, and would need constant supervision. Ha! I guess he showed them. He has overcome/outgrown autism, ADHD, epilepsy, learning disabilities and social anxiety. He doesn't smoke. No excessive drinking, or any drug use. He and I have a very close relationship. I guess sometimes it works the other way. Yeah, I know I'm bragging, but through sheer stubbornness and determination, many obstacles can be overcome. Signed, proud mother, whose son will never be a "problem"/AKA Organist1.

These are soft people living in hard times

When a man can can produce quadrillion spermcell in his lifetime. Why is every sperm sacred in religion. About 12 weeks a fetus has no heartbeat or feels pain: Seem a fair time to abort a child. Who is likly will be unloved or living in unfavorab8le healthy condition throughout their lifetime. . As well these conditions work in nature's animal kingdom.

My mom was a huge enabler for one of my sisters. The sister got married to someone unable to earn enough to support them. They would rent an apartment and, after a few months of not being able to pay the rent, they would climb out the window, late at night, and move in with mom. She put up with it but would go out and find them another apartment. Then the story was repeated. Finally, mom talked my sister into dumping the guy, which she did. The sister was attractive and would find a new BF but then the old husband would be around and make a scene so the BF would leave. Then mom found a GF for the former husband. Then my sister found another guy, named Jack, who was a Vietnam vet with PTSD. He would take a baseball bat to bed and when having a nightmare would wake up swinging the bat so my sister learned to always stay low. They had a daughter but my sister could care less for her and she developed problems of her own. Of course mom talked the sister into leaving Jack. Sometimes mom would come home to find the sisters kids in the house. Mom didn't believe in locks so the sister would leave off the kids and take off for a few days. One time, sis, told mom her car was being repaired and could she borrow moms car, of course mom 'lent' her the keys. Someone asked mom when will the sister bring back the car. Mom knew, when the car was low on gas. The sister took the car key and had a 2nd one made. Mom, often spent time with the neighbors and once she came home - no car. The sister took it. Later the sister met and married a rich older guy who had a ranch with horses in a place near San Antonio. Dad died and we talked mom into finding another mate, which, amazingly she did. This guy was 'supposedly' a retired AF officer. Mom started complaining that her friend, Buddy, would constantly ask her to borrow a few dollars (always something small so he wouldn't feel guilty in not paying her back. He also often asked her to drive him someplace. Mom constantly complained about Buddy. We told her she needed to dump this guy but she always replied, she didn't want to hurt his feelings. Guilt is sometimes an ingredient in enabling.

And this is why I never had or wanted kids.

Whatever you do, don’t upgrade the carpets!!

Maybe the thing is to "force" young men to have a vasectomy asap as they can be reversed.

IMO, no one should have kids unless...
they really want them and have the means to raise them properly.

Living in the grandparent's house in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. Not if the young parents are working to better themselves (going to school, holding down and advancing in a job) and contributing the the upkeep of the household.

But just being a procreative layabout is bullshit.

"You ain't nowhere 'til you can pay your own way back"
-- Robert Hunter

It sounds like what is needed here, at the very least, is sex education, with a heavy emphasis on methods of contraception.