How common is this argument?
Believer: The world and life is designed. Who or what created it all?, you can’t create something from nothing, so God must have designed it.
Non-believer: Even if there was a creator, that doesn’t mean that the god described in the Bible (or Koran) is THE creator.
- have you heard an argument like this?
- do you consider this a valid argument against religious belief?
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If you can't create something out of nothing, then what did God create the universe out of? That means that God must have created the Universe out of pre-existent something. So, where did this pre-existent something come from if it couldn't have come out of nothing and God didn't create it?
Heraclitus
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May 12, 2018
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I prefer Lloyd Pye's Intervention Theory..plenty of evidence the earth was terraformed.
birdingnut
Level 8
May 12, 2018
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OK, where did the EBEs come from? Who created them?
@Heraclitus LOL! Pye doesn't explain anything beyond our earth's history.
But alleged secret government whistle-blowers, who say our government has been secretly using alien technology since WW ll, say the aliens themselves all agree that there is a "Source" energy that created all of this, but that they don't know where Source came from.
But they say Source isn't anything like the Hebrew god..it's just universal energy and love. They say that all beings above fifth dimension are benign, and it's the ones in the third dimension-earth, or the fourth dimension, such as the Draco reptilians are war-like, and usually want to destroy humans, but the higher dimension beings prevent them.
They all agree that humans have to give permission for any aliens to mess with them at all, but that the Nazis made a deal with the Draco reptilians during WW ll to get the technology to win the war, and when they lost, the technology passed on the US and Russia when the US made a deal with Hitler to let him escape to South America, in exchange for the alien technology.
See the documentary "Unacknowledged," on Netflix and YouTube to see videos of US presidents, NSA agents, scientists, astronauts, and other famous people discussing how the US government keeps everything to do with aliens highly classified, to keep from sharing their advanced technology.
As usual, if you try to troll me, I'll just block you. Instead, watch the documentary before you comment.
If you get a chance look up argument from ignorance. It's basically, i can't think of anything else... therefore it must be god/s, fairies, or the flying spaghetti monster.
None the less, there are some problems with the question. What makes you think it is created? What makes you think there is a who or what that did it? We could then go into where did that come from, but then they'll just use "special pleading (also check out if you get the chance)" and say that god/s always existed and don't have, need, or you wouldn't understand the explanation.
For fun though... and I implore you to broach this topic... "you can't create something from nothing."
What is nothing? It is nonsensical. Ask them do describe it. Ask if they have ever experienced nothing. Ask if they have a nothing to test to see if we can't get anything from it. Because if you describe nothing, in the philosophical sense of ex nilo, then you are talking about nothing as if it is something. You cannot describe non-existence, because it doesn't exist. I cannot even fathom what nothing is, because I've only lived in of universe of things like everyone else. Now if you could produce nothing and then somehow show that only nothing can come from it (which would be proving a negative which would take eternity, because we can't know if nothing can or can't create anything unless we have eternity to observe it) then you could say nothing comes from nothing..
I hope I didn't go to far off the rails here, but the concept of nothing is crazy. In the end, atheism has always been the same case since Socrates. That is..."I don't believe you, so prove it. Then I'll believe you."
Tyrel77
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May 12, 2018
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Yes, there is really no such thing as absolute nothingness in the Universe. Everywhere that we know of, there is spacetime full of quantum fields, subatomic particles, and the dark energy that appears to be inherent to quantum fields. Even that which is empty...is not empty.
Nothing used to mean "no thing" or no created thing. It did not used to refer to an unimaginable absolute emptiness.
the comment "you can't create something from nothing" came from a co-worker who started challenging evolution, then, as they do, jumped to the Big Bang. So he was claiming that the big bang could not be correct since 'you can't create something from nothing.' AND since the big bang must not be correct, that 'god must have created it all.'
I pointed out that the beginning of the universe was a completely different topic from the evolution of life on this planet, however I think he was having trouble comprehending the issue because to him, they are kind'a the same because he was just spouting the standard arguments a believer learns within their group.
This argument falls apart when it violates its own premise. Does god not have a creator?
AustinSkepticus
Level 7
May 12, 2018
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Yes, nearly every time one visits my door… ‘Then how’d everything get here?’ We evolved from simpler forms of life … further back than most can comprehend. How old do you think the world is ..ask I 
If we don’t believe in ‘a creator,’ why speculate? They’ve made that claim, it’s up to them to show verifiable proof, not us. We’ve literally thousands of tons of evidence supporting our understanding of what led to us. They have zero, and the gray stuff between their ears doesn't count 
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