I'm the bad man in the group I see being Agnostic as neither believing nor disbelieving there is/are a God(s). To me both sides have failed to reject the null.
Why would we reject null?
I'm with him on this.
There is no proof. Does it matter which side it is on?
What does "reject the null" mean? If null is "nothing," then rejecting it would be accepting the existent. So if both sides fail to reject the null, then they're both accepting the existent? Can you clarify what your last sentence means?
Atheist have an Statement "God does not exist" the null is that God isn't proven to not exist.
Theist have statement " God does exist" the null is it isn't proven God doesn't exist.
Both theories have failed to reject the null thereby aren't valid statements.
Thereby the only valid statement of an agnostic is that God is neither proven to exist nor is it proven God does exist.
@Biosteelman One can't (and doesn't have to) "prove" that something doesn't exist.
Schrodinger's agnostic.
lol brilliant
@LenHazell53 thank you βΊ
A = without; gnosis = knowledge. Agnosticism regarding deities is a knowledge position, not a belief position. It is the notion that no supportable knowledge claim can be made for OR against the existence of god. In the limited sense that it's about a knowledge claim rather than a belief claim, it's "about neither believing or disbelieving" but I don't think that's a helpful way to conceptualize it, and misses the point of agnosticism.
Supernatural beings and realms cannot be known because they are un-falsifiable hypotheses, not because they are not believable Although it's also true that gods are not believable, that's a question that is answered by atheism, not agnosticism. Or more exactly, it's a question that's addressed with critical thinking and skepticism, with atheism as the result of that.
Null would be disbelief. There can't be an in between the two there. You can't sorta believe something, you either do or you don't.
Both hypothesis have a null. So yes there is an in between statement.
@Biosteelman and what would that be? What is in between believing in X and not believing in X?
@Katrik agnostic...lol
@Biosteelman um no, Gnosticism is a knowledge claim, not a belief one.
@Katrik people believe what they know. Agnostics don't claim to know if God exists or not.
@Biosteelman yes, but that also means they donβt believe