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Looking from across the Atlantic I am always baffled by US Presidents' overt avowal of Christian faith. For example, the 4 most recent all declared themselves to be Christian:-
Trump – Presbyterian
Obama – Episcopalian
Bush – United Methodist
Clinton – Southern Baptist.

Their adherence to the 10 Commandments was, er, questionable. Trump and Clinton certainly broke the 6th (Adultery) and the 8th (bearing false witness). I suspect Trump has also broken the 1st , as he thinks he’s God.

My question is, why is this?
Is it so politically toxic to just not declare a religion at all?
Do the Bible Belt and loon Evangelical preachers really have that much power over rational people?
Is it possible that a declared Atheist can ever be voted President?

Tedoi 4 May 29
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Trump is really an atheist he unfortunately needed to pretend to be Christian because Republican party reps would have never allowed him to run...

I hoped that wasn't the case He gives us atheists a bad name!

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Much the same as your monarchs , I suspect . England has had wars , over religion . Henry VIII , closed the Monasteries , his daughter Mary was strongly Catholic , and his daughter Elizabeth was Protestant . These three alone tore England apart . When Prince Charles discussed Camilla with your Queen Elizabeth II , even he brought up the fact that it is common for Kings to have mistresses . Basically , a man may be , "powerful, " rich , and famous , but he still needs a bunch of women to confirm that for him . When it comes to religion , the people want the delusion that their leaders will adhere to supposed religious ethics . It's all an allusion .

Not really, I'd hazard.

Henry VIII declared himself the head of a new Anglican church in order to break free from the Italian Catholic pope (much as the German princes joined Luther shortly after his nailing his Ninety-five Theses to the church door in Wittenberg) and to seize the land and great wealth the monasteries held. Elizabeth I then simply realigned England with Protestantism once Mary had been removed. The European wars that followed the Reformation were more concerned with political power than with religious practice.

Of course, the most obvious difference is that the monarchs you use as examples lived centuries ago. Today, Elizabeth II continues to act as the Defender of the Faith, one of the monarch's nominal responsibilities, but is otherwise serves more notably as the profile found on coins and postage stamps than as a religious figurehead. (I'm not sure how your comment about Charles figures in.)

Brits and, I suspect, many other western Europeans find the relatively recent admix of religion into politics so evident in the US to be somewhat bizarre. Listening, for example, to presidential candidates espousing their religious views appears positively odd.

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It appears from here that a lot of European countries are just a lot more grown up than the US. America is like that kid in high school who was too good looking, with too much money, and was usually a complete dick.

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I don't think in America a person can be elected that doesn't give at least give lip service to Christianity. It's about getting elected. Trump is obviously lying and his supporters are pretending to believe him. I wouldn't care either way as long as he doesn't try and force America to be a Christian nation in violation of the Constitution. I'm more offended by him being a lying, dishonest sack than anything else.

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I suspect there have been some non-believers if not atheists. Politicians say whatever it takes to get votes.

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It won't happen in my lifetime. Yes, Christianity has a strangle hold on this country. It is insane for a country founded on religious freedom and a constitution that specifically separates church and state to have this problem

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Years down the road we may have an openly atheist or agnostic president, but not anytime soon. Christians still make up a large percentage of the voter base. I don't think a non-christian will get elected any time soon either (except maybe a person of the Jewish faith) but muslim, buddist, etc, is right along side with atheists and agnostics. But someday, it will happen.

My guess is that it is decades away for a person of the Jewish faith to become president as our country is quite anti Semitic. This country is so pro Christian and actually fake Christianity that it makes me sick

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Unfortunately the believers do have the power over our government until something changes and more people vote based on humanist beliefs.

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