'Science without religion is lame.' Albert Einstein
"Einstein was a great physicist, but wasn't infallible, and it baffles me to see people quoting his non-scientific pronouncements as if they are unimpeachable. An expert in physics is not necessarily a doyen of philosophy." Jerry A. Coyne - an article in The New Republic.
He wasn't infallible and he knew that better than anybody else..... that's way he kept on looking for whatever until the day he kicked the bucket. Anyhow, gotta say that the purpose of this posting still eludes me. Not even know who this particular Jerry is and I don't feel like Googling right now.
Einstein understood what authentic religion is all about, and didn’t let that understanding become sullied by those who clung to their childhood interpretations, even if they might have been a majority:
“By his own words in the same essay, Einstein clarified that by religion he meant the pursuit of the highest qualities of an individual - a striving to improve one's thoughts, speech, actions, and so on. It was about overcoming the smallness of individualistic and petty thinking and cultivating a more expansive, 'enlightened', state. Einstein's point was that he thought personal development should go hand in hand with scientific progress - people who strive to understand the universe should also look to improving the character through which the universe is experienced.”
There’s nothing unscientific about that.
Spot the theist astroturfers. There are some on this site too.
"I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." Einstein's god was nature.
I like Neils Bohr's reputed repartee with Einstein:
Einstein's asserted that "God doesn't play dice"
Bohr..."Stop telling God what to do with his dice"
I always have trouble accepting rhetorical ethos as useful when the statement in question exists outside the field of specialty of the person in question. For example: why does Jenny McCarthy's stance on vaccinations matter? Does she have some medical degree I never heard about? And honestly, speaking from personal experience dealing with/being people with significantly above average IQs, odds are good any philosophical position taken is possibly the result of many years of fairly diagonal thinking which, upon scrutiny, are not universally useful or accessible as public philosophical leaning. And Albert Einstein is one of those people who exist as a benchmark for excessively above average IQ. Given that, the inner workings of his mind may well have been incomprehensibly complex to any but the smartest of individuals, and so any pronouncement regarding the interplay of, for example, spirituality and science, may be perfectly logical within the framework of his or similar minds but still appear to be complete nonsense to everyone else. I personally agree with my own interpretation of the statement, for a very specific definition of the word religion (which isn't the word I would use to describe the idea, so it's possible I don't agree with him, but as his terms are undefined I can only work with my interpretation of the words.)
@TheAstroChuck that is very true, and I would think that, as a factor, has the potential to widen or shorten the gap of understanding based on the...I'll call it the 'collective cognitive makeup' of the person trying to interpret and understand a statement.
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." You have to use the full quote to understand what Einstein was trying to say. What Einstein was trying to say will continue to be a topic of debate. As an agnostic I can appreciate it. I don't think science has the ability to prove each and every single thing. There is always going to be a place for Wonder ,and the appreciation of things that are intangible.
A few months ago I made a post on the very same thing, pointing out that the word "ethics" should be substituted for "religion". I don't know the source of this particular quote, but elsewhere I have seen him quoted that religion is childish, which contradicts his apparent high regard of religion here.
For anyone interested, here is a website with a bit more understanding of that particular Einstein quote and his general view of "religion".
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I have posted some of his quotes, but I know that he was not infallible. However, nearly all of the founders of modern physics were deeply religious in a certain way. What I conclude is that it’s not necessarily a dumb, ridiculous thing to be a non-atheist.
51% of scientists believe in God,
41% Don’t.
... and the other 8%??
@Petter Some refused to answer or were undecided.
Your original post is a bit "biased".
Only 33% believed in God.
Another 18 % did not believe in God, but did believe in some form of "universal spirit" or higher power.
41% did not believe in either.
Far more interesting is that the older they get, the greater the number who do not believe in ANY god or universal spirit/higher power. by the time they reach 65 years of age, 48% are absolute atheists. Also interesting is that chemists are more likely to believe in God, and that physicists and geoscientists are LEAST likely to believe in a God.
Overall, compared to the general public, Scientists are far less likely to be believers.
Finally, this is a survey covering only US scientists.
Certainly in the UK the non-believing scientists are over 50%.
@Petter if I said it wrong, sorry. Still a good many scientists are theists. There’s no shame or stupidity in leaning toward belief in a higher power.
@WilliamFleming Agreed. I was simply adding caveats. Statistics can be distorted to support almost any viewpoint.
One of Einstein's most eagerly quoted remarks by Xtains is "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"; But he also said, "It was of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being 'systematically' repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." -Albert Einstein-
That is my usual response to inane comments like that.
“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
How about that one?
@WilliamFleming Yeah, I don't like that one. Spirits are not part of my worldview.
@TheAstroChuck, @atheist You don’t have to, but that’s what Einstein called it.
@TheAstroChuck, @atheist, @Aralt He made a lot of conflicting remarks about religion. I read a remark where he was very critical of some atheists—the zealous ones. One little book I read years ago was his “Credo”. I’m going to try and find that because it should clear things up. Regardless of what that guy thought, it is up to each person to decide.
@TheAstroChuck, @atheist, @Aralt, @zblaze I doubt he meant that in a churchy or new age sense. However, it must have meant something to him. I wonder if Einstein’s view changed over the years. There’s a lot of contradiction.
@Aralt Yes, you are probably right. I seem to remember something like that from his credo. I don’t call myself agnostic, but if that means you don’t know for sure, then perhaps I am agnostic. After all, I don’t believe in a judgmental overseer God who deals out rewards and punishments either.
I lean toward the idea of universal consciousness in which we share.