LINK The Australian Government Is Punishing Parents Who Won’t Vaccinate Their Kids – Friendly Atheist
Vaccinations for children in Australia is taken pretty serious...
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Vaccinations are relevant to the populace, not only the child being vaccinated. Sadly we live in a society where people willingly choose unfounded fear over the safety of everyone. I like this step.
mattersauce
Level 7
July 5, 2018
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Good. As previously suggested, there should be penalties for parents in the US who not only put their own child at risk, but others' children also.
LilAtheistLady
Level 7
July 5, 2018
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$2 Bucks a day fine ($1.47 USD) Good but should be more...Kids are priceless.
IzMark
Level 4
July 5, 2018
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I guess the next step could be putting it down as, 'neglect' and getting Child Safety involved, but that's a costly and labour intensive option when they have so much work on already. Kids need rights to healthcare regardless of parental blocking until we find stronger evidence against and/or better options for vaccines.
Start taking their kids away. They'll wake up quick enough.
@KKGator They'll just make more. Since they won't have to support the ones that were taken away, that makes it too easy.
Sounds like a good idea. So long as the punishment in not barbaric. It's not the kids fualt.
Lifestone
Level 5
July 5, 2018
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LOL, did you think they're beating the children?
@mattersauce what we do to the parents will affect the children...
@Lifestone It's $2 off of a family tax benefit so it'll max out at "no benefit".
@mattersauce lol, that's not even a punishment
@Lifestone Looks like it's potentially about a grand per child, so depending on the year end, it could be $730 per kid.
@mattersauce these... Brilliant people think that they are saving their children from something ligitimatly dangerous, and are willing to risk other children to do it. A fine seems light.
Children should be vaccinated. It should be mandatory everywhere. There are too many idiots who are parents, who don't do what is right for their children.
AlanRathburn
Level 5
July 6, 2018
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Great stuff. I am not sure, but I think it’s also illegal not to vote there too. You can spoil your ballot but have to vote.
Livia
Level 6
July 5, 2018
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Yeah I find it nuts you guys aren't obliged to voted.
I had a 'discussion' about this when I first got to Australia from UK where there is no obligation to vote. I said if Australian's have the right to vote, in a democratic nation that should also include the right NOT to vote. Didn't go down too well. I suspect its just another revenue raiser. After all, what's the difference between a spoiled vote and a no vote other than having to ponce around getting to the polling booth!
@Geoffrey51 A spoiled ballot produces its own data on voter dissatisfaction. In the UK today, people’s right to vote is being diminished by US style voter ID bullshit. The “right not to vote” is a disrespect to everyone who fought in the 2nd world war, it’s total disengagement from citizenship. It gives permission for the establishment to steal from you what is yours. When I find out one of my family has not voted, they get a very serious bollocking from me.
@Livia Its an interesting thought Livia, and makes sense to some extent. It just flies in the face of a declaration of freedom as one is compelled to act for fear of reprisal, which, from my perspective was what WW2 represented, and many others come to that. I agree that everyone should take advantage of the democratic societies choices, but that should also include the right to abstain. If there were a box on the voting card 'no confidence in any of these' then I would fully agree with you.
Fun fact: Australia invented the secret ballot. Not fun fact: Indigenous Australians weren't allowed to vote until 1962.
@Geoffrey51
I look at it this way: along with rights, we have responsibilities, and VOTING is one of those. Too many Americans yammer on about their rights, but you never hear anyone talk about responsibilities, except as a negative. We need to grow up.
@AlmostVulcan Exactly. The oppression of the Indigenous people of Australia has been abominable. I don't know enough about the relationship with indigenous N Americans but my perceptions is they at least has the cultural experience to fight back.
When a substantial number of parents decide not have their children vaccinated it increases the risk of a serious outbreak of childrens’ illness which can be fatal in some cases. This may seem a bit draconian, but a responsible government must take any measures required to protect it’s citizens.
Marionville
Level 10
July 5, 2018
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I've only read one scientific article that covered the story of a contaminated vaccine batch that caused problems children.
Apart from that I'd say most vaccines are essential and children should be vaccinated for their own benefit.
Ellatynemouth
Level 8
July 5, 2018
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And there are restrictions about sending unvax'ed kids to child care as well
AlmostVulcan
Level 5
July 5, 2018
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Here in the UK theres a lot of scare mongering going on with links about the MMR vaccine to autism. It may or may not be true but seeing some politicians taking their own children out of the vaccine program doesn't help. (Tony Blair)
Nardi
Level 7
July 5, 2018
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The only way vaccination causes anything is if you have a contaminated vaccine.
Blair’s kids were vaccinated using separate vaccines, not the combined MMR. They went to France where MMR is disliked, not for reasons of autism, but for the belief that one vaccine at a time on a schedule is healthier than combined vaccines, which may or may not be true.
Personally I think it’s your choice not to vaccinate. Of course you should keep your children far away from other people. Seal up your property in a bubble and not come out. Only fair.
ThisIsPatrick
Level 6
July 8, 2018
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What about the kids choice not to die from a preventable disease? I am asking seriously as the whole parents rights argument to me falls apart when the parents choice has a high probability of killing/maiming/harming the child. Like child seat belt/helmet laws.
@Quarm I really figured that people would understand that this is obviously sarcasm. I’ll TRY and point it out from here on out...
I have such a hard time with this. I firmly believe that every child who can be vaccinated should be. I personally am one of the immune compromised who are at greatest risk from non-vaccinated people. But, I have to support individual liberty. Asshats have the right to be asshats. And public schools/care centers have the right to turn away non-vaccinated children. It seems the tax penalty might be a good middle ground.
Minta79
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July 6, 2018
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What about the kids choice not to die from a preventable disease? I am asking seriously as the whole parents rights argument to me falls apart when the parents choice has a high probability of killing/maiming/harming the child. Like child seat belt/helmet laws. My moms best friend from high school was a Christian Scientist who died directly related to her refusal of medical services. It tore her family apart. Imagine if it was a child, should the parents "liberty" supersede the child's?
I read this as parents who don't vaccinate their kids are punishing Australians.
JackPedigo
Level 9
July 5, 2018
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