Im atheist . And I get asked this often . Was curious to know other non believers answer to this . Without getting into to much detail my answer is simple. If I am wrong and im hell doomed for not believing then thats fine with me . Maybe hell is where I belong . Because there is just to many things in the bible itself I can't justify . Too many evilness . God murdered o don't know how many people including kids . He tortures gay people . Ect. I will not bow down before such an evil being . I also have questions for him as well. One being why has remain hidden ? Why did he leave behind no evidance of his existance? And even more confusing leave more evidence of him NOT existing and then throw us in flames for eternal torment for not believeing him ? If he does exist we have a mad man on charge and we should all be fearful of this lunitic . So send me to hell god because I would never follow you anyways
I do not believe there is a God. If I am wrong and God does in fact exist then he was not concerned enough to let me know. If he is unconcerned about letting me know he exist, then neither should I be concerned with his existence.
Mine is similar but with that question I normally respond with the same question. If theists are wrong how many immoral things(judgement of gays, forcing beliefs on children and others, etc) did they commit? How much self hate and arbitrary guilt did you propagate? How much of your finite life did you waste committing these immoral acts or worshiping a false hope? How much knowledge did you miss out on by disagreeing with science? And finally what life could you have had without being tethered to an idea that you needed to make up for sins you didn't commit?
I'll ask him why the fuck he hid from his own creations and why he let so many suffer needlessly!\
I'm not wrong . And, if I am wrong, and some god wants me to believe in it, then it better do a better job of convincing me it exists.
And, when they bring up Hell I say it is sad to believe in a god that is so cruel that it would create such a horrible place. We are here for an instant when compared to eternity; and this supposed loving god will torture us forever if we don't believe in it or the correct things about it.
If so, I will give “him” a chance to apologize and explain his hate / anger issues.
Doesn’t mean that I’ll ever forgive him for being Gawd-awful.
Your perceptions of "God" are based on the bible and so your question should be "What if the bible is right?".
But that would be a misleading question, because the bible doesn’t have the integrity of a real book, written by a single author or even group of authors working together. It’s an ANTHOLOGY, collecting the myths, folk wisdom, tribal history and even poetry of different people over many centuries, hobbled together with little regard for consistency as we moderns would define it. Often the editing and inclusion of material had political implications. That’s why, if you look long enough, you are likely to find things that justify pretty much anything you want. It’s strength is that it captures an amazing breadth of human experience and thought.
I think much about the question, "What if there is a God?" My response is whether He would look upon me and say, "Well done, good and faithful servant." My hope is that God would say that my journey to understanding was genuine; I sought evidence and found it lacking. But nonetheless, I kept looking and was a good humanitarian because what I did toward others was good and right--not because of an eternal reward. And that, ironically, would be true Faith.
I have many replies depending on who I am speaking to.
One of my favorites goes something like this...
I live my life by a strong moral code. I treat myself and the people around me with kindness and respect. So, if at the end of time I find myself at the pearly gates and I get refused because I didn’t give my life to Jesus.... Well fuck your god them I’d rather dance with the devil.
Pascal's wager doesn't interest me. It essentially boils down to someone holding a gun to your head asking you "well what if there ARE bullets in the clip?" A threat is a threat, no matter how it is packaged, and that isn't any reason to believe something that cannot be backed by evidence or logic. You can ask them "what if blind faith alone isn't a good enough reason to get into this heaven of yours, considering there are a multitude of child rapists and murderers who fervently believe that god exists and that Jesus died for them?" As Matt Dilahunty phrased it, if it turned out he was wrong and there was a god, then that entity would have a lot to answer for if it was the same one mentioned in the bible. And if god chose to toss him into hell for using his critical reasoning skills then at least he would be secure in the knowledge that he was vastly more moral than that thuggish monster.
Usually the people asking are Christian. If so I tell them that if the god in the Bible exists I still wouldn’t worship him. We have only his word that he is a good and loving god and I see no proof of that on earth. We were told that we suffer because we are sinners but every creature with a nervous system suffers every day. If there is a god he is the most evil creature ever.
Please don't involve me in your psychosis always seems to work
Believing in something "just in case" is the most sincere form of belief
this is always s weird question for me to answer but I'll have another go -
a) I don't really care if there is a god or not I am 70 and if s/he he it hasnt revealed themselves to me yet, times running out
b) What difference would it make to my life. I refuse to be judged by anyone especially given how many people inhabit this planet of ours
c) havent really got a c its just that most answers go in 3's. (C could be again ,how much I really don't care.)
I would ask which God. There are thousands of Gods out there. Most of the people are wrong if any one of them is true anyway.
I answer from a scientific perspective. If I am indeed wrong, then I am wrong. The hypothesis did not match up to facts.
Theistic perspective speaking:
If I am to be punished for questioning then Lucifer and I have more in common than I thought.
Though say your happiness in heaven includes having me in your life. Would that mean that there are two of me in either plain, or is the me in heaven a mere lie to buy your happiness?
Very thoughtful: If I am to be punished for questioning . . .
@Adam_Gaha Exactly, if one is to be punished for questioning what's the point of free will?
If we have no free will, then what's the point of church if our destinies here and thereafter are already known, and set.
If we do have free will then why should my faith be guided by anyone apart from myself?
When a theist quotes from their book, well that's only one interpretation of things. What if they're wrong?
I always like to play with the idea that all religions are just a fragment of the puzzle, and that our constant strife against one another is why everyone is wrong.
Honestly the church has done more to harm my belief in God(s) than any bit of science ever did.
@BeardedWonder Fragments of a puzzle: [nods]
Large concepts often can not be stated specifically. Take love, for example... the moment you say what it is, it isn't that. The only way to describe it is through negation - to parse it what it is not.
If there is a God, I feel very sure about not being able to confirm it specifically. However, I could tell you pretty specifically that it isn't any of the myths I've heard so far.
So, if there is a God... it's nothing like people have said. And that's enough to know for now.
I have thought about this profoundly and many times, and the answer is pretty easy. There might be "something" but even from my limited cognitive capability I know and I am 100% positive that Abrahamic religion and its variants are absolutely mythological... zero doubts about it!
Now, getting back about let's assume there might be "something", Carl Sagan put it in words so much better that I ever could, but the idea was that I swear:
"The idea that God is an oversized white man with a flowing beard, who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by 'God,' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."
--Carl Sagan
I don’t understand these types of discussins tbh.
I don’t think of it as a choice or decision I have made.
It’a more like a conclusion. Like you think 1+1 =a based on the input and I think 1+1=2 . Good luck convincing me 1+1 is not 2 but more power to you.
My point is I don’t think I have a choice in what I know. I can research more and maybe I find different facts but as of now I know what know or know that I am missing facts and refuse to guess based on unknowns (that part is a decision, yes)
I would second a comment below and part of your comment. I have posted this before, if I could be convinced by evidence that there is a personal god that enters into the live's of humans, I would consider such a being responsible for the way things are and have been throughout history to be a crazed criminal lunatic or monster who would only deserve to be loathed.
If it turned out that I was shown the proof that there actually is a decision-making being responsible for all that happens, I would be no closer to worshiping it than I am now, as a non-believer. I would consider it a monster.
I would want proof of what decisions it was actually making. Instead, all you get today are words designed to keep you away from this mythical being that is using such divine wisdom.