@TheMiddleWay It would be better if the media wouldn't make such a big issue out of things, & people should mind their business.

trans women are women. the pose no threat.

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@genessa I understand that you understand that but someone who has had years of abuse by a man has not got the rationality to use the same reasoning as we do . So to respect their fragile minds why cannot we respect their recovery and limit any undue stress?

@Simon1 how would they know anyone was trans anyway, to feel the stress? and what if they had stress seeing a black person, or an asian person, or a tall person, or a blonde person? avoiding stress is one thing. letting someone else be homeless is quite another.

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@genessa 5 o'clock shadow . Shape of the face lots of tell tale signs.not all trans men are model material . I have witnessed trans men be violent in interviews which adds substance to this view . I would also extend it to transwonen in men's shelters it's not just about physical attributes . It's the mental state of the person that has been abused

@Simon1 first of all, a homeless shelter is not the same as a shelter for abused women. the shelter in question is a homeless shelter. second of all, are you assuming that trans women by default have had no hormonal therapy or surgery? and third of all, have you never seen straight/cis women being violent? in what way does being trans mean being violent? being human can mean that... or not. sorry, i am not buying this.

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@genessa a homeless centre has no right to discriminate what so ever . I thought that I read that this was to do with a women's centre as that has been a bit of a hot topic lately .as for the hormonal treatment it's not a magick wand and transforms people without any tell tale signs . As for the violent part it has nothing to do with the person's potential for violence it's the abused woman's past expeeoences and her fragile mind

If you make concessions for irrationality, then where do you draw the line?
The other day, I went for a walk around my neighborhood after dark. A lady who was walking her dog crossed the street no less than three times to get away from me. My blackness caused her undue stress. Was her reaction reasonable? Fair? If she had called the cops, would that have been cool? If they came and arrested me, would that have been ok? If they'd shot me?

@ghettophilosopher that is a public place and the reaction by that lady was not acceptable . A women's centre for abused women is supposed to be a safe place .

@ghettophilosopher, @Gooniesnvrdie ideally there should be s are place for transwonen in a separate facility

@Simon1 wrong. independent cake shops no more have the right to disciminate than did the woolworths lunch counters that wouldn't serve black people; woolworths didn't relent because it was a chain. it was a public place. if it were a private CLUB that would be different -- members only -- and even then a legal right doesn't make something right. but if the cake shop purports to be open to the public, it must be open to the whole public unless someone comes in and creates a disturbance. the cake shop that won its case on appeal didn't win on the issue; it won on a technicality.

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@Simon1, @ghettophilosopher my point exactly!

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You make these statements like they are facts.. have you talked to any of these abused women and asked them their views on trans women? Their answer would likely surprise you.

@hippydog just giving another point of view

@Simon1 the point of view of a white cis male? ??

@hippydog oh here we go , no one can have a point of view unless it sides with the oppressed and is not male blah blah blah

@hippydog, @Simon1 sorry, are we NOT supposed to side with the oppressed? is there some reason we should oppress them some more instead?

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@genessa i should have said self oppressed ...those taking university courses costing thousandss of dollars claiming all the worlds problems are because of the oppression by cis white men

@Simon1 oh them. um... do they really exist? i haven't actually met any of those. that sounds like a made-up thing.

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@genessa western universities they do

@Simon1 interesting. can you link me to one such course at one such university? sometimes i think about going back to school and i have never seen such a course.

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@genessa humanities courses , gender courses etc

@Simon1 no, sorry, i can't tell from your generalization whether such courses are teaching what you claim. that is why i asked for a link to a particular course. you see, i don't think so. not one bit.

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@Simon1 "oh here we go , no one can have a point of view unless it sides with the oppressed and is not male blah blah blah"

ok then.. a point of view is usually based on personal knowledge..
1.) Do you personally know any abused females that had to go to a shelter?
2.) Do you personally know any trans woman?

Btw.. I never said you could not have an opinion, I stated that you opinion was worded like it was fact.. and honestly I question why you feel you need to protect your opinion so strongly.. it doesnt seem like it's coming from a need to protect people..

@hippydo 1 yes 2 yes