Hold on, let me find my tinfoil hat first..

The guilty apologize when they're found out. Do we not remember the weeping by Kavanaugh? People who do bad things to other people are never sorry until they're discovered. The fact that he apologized is even worse in my book.

Kavanaugh was weeping because of how he had been mistreated. deGrasse Tyson talked about being sorry for the victim.

That would be nice, but one thing I've seen on here and elsewhere is that same mindset is not implemented when it comes to Trump and his degenerates. The moment there is a minute inkling of suspicion against the Trump "administration", everyone is all over it. But, when it is suspicion against someone they idolize, they want to wait for proper evidence. It's hypocrisy and if you never jumped on the Trump-hate-bandwagon before sufficient evidence surfaced, you're not a hypocrite. If you have, you asking to wait for judgement is hypocritical.

@FatherOfNyx Al Franken anyone?

@FatherOfNyx, perhaps that is because Trump and his ilk are a Known Quantity, by their own design. NdGT was not somebody who registered as a sexual being on my radar. Not that I didn't think he was easy to look at, but it didn't touch why I found him interesting. Because of that, I think I'll refrain from forming an opinion due to the new-ness of this situation. I don't allow my politics to define my opinions on misogyny and sexual assault, and I consider it bad form to paint everyone with a broad brush.

@Deb57 While it's true that Trump and most of his team are piles of dog shit, that doesn't mean they're guilty of everything people accuse them of. And NDT always struck me as a creep, someone capable of doing someone wrong on the sneak and not feeling bad about it. Like I said in a comment below, I am a (semi) functional sociopath and I am totally ok with that. One thing we are good at is spotting our own and the moment I first saw him, I saw it in him.

No evidence for. Just feelings without relation to context.

and by the way, i like him, but he isn't my "idol"-- no one is.

g

I have read his side and the fact that he is endorsing an investigation doesn't change anything. Guilty people do that too, cause like I said, they want to act innocent while hoping no one comes up with proof.

"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."

More times than not, when someone is acting like they're trustworthy and endorsing an investigation into themselves, they're putting up a front because they think they're slick enough to leave no trace.

@FatherOfNyx really? more times than not? you have data on that? i think you're assuming a motivation based on facts not in evidence, and i thought if there is one thing we atheists have in common it is that we do not DO that. but you don't like him, so he must be guilty, and asking for an investigation proves it... um... no. sorry. it doesn't prove he's innocent either but it points to it, and you cannot just assign a motivation to his request and expect to be believed. you don't know any more than i do, unless he groped you.

g

@genessa You must not have uncovered many liars in your day. Yes, more often than not, when someone is calling for you to trust them, they're not worthy of trust. A trustworthy person wouldn't ask you to trust them, they'd show it in their actions. If you ever meet someone who says they never lie, especially when they're the ones who brought it up, they're more than likely pathological liars.

But you see, you and everyone else is proving my point. The hypocrisy of this topic. When it came to Trump and Kavanaugh and all those other losers, people on here were up in arms before any evidence or trial. Now if that kind of thing never happened and everyone acted the same with Trump/Kavanaugh as they are acting with NDT, I'd have no reason to be annoyed and therefore no reason to have made this post.

Yes, I dislike NDT very much.. but that isn't what this is about. It's about the hypocrisy. If it was just about NDT, I'd rant on about how he is a nobody just riding the coattails of Sagan or how he believes in the multiverse which is basically a delusional religious belief. I could go on and on, but this is about how people are hypocritical in situations like this.

@FatherOfNyx you make an AWFUL lot of assumptions, now about me, and boy oh boy are YOU ever wrong. but i know a small sample when i see one, too.

yes, it IS about your dislike for him. you have no idea whether he is (or i am) being hypocritical. pardon me, but you're talking out of your ass. when you start telling me what i have encountered, or what i am proving, then you are talking out of your ass.

g

@genessa Speaking of assumptions.. You said that I said he must be guilty since I don't like him. Might want to go back and reread, cause not once did I say he was guilty. I even threw a "supposedly" in there in regards to his accuser. What you did is the exact same thing a theist does when you say you don't believe in God. They assume that that means you believe God isn't real. Since you don't believe in their idol, you must be completely against their idol. Might want to rethink the whole "I don't idolize people" bit.

Judging by the nerve that's been hit, I am satisfied in knowing that you've been enlightened of your hypocrisy ?

So to recap, never said he was guilty. Yes, I dislike NDT, but what is annoying is how people like you will defend their idols for the exact same thing they hate on their demons for.

@FatherOfNyx i have no idols, i am defending the concept of innocent until at least evidence surfaces of some hint of guilt, your assumptions about my assumptions are still emanating from your ass, and the only nerve you've hit in me is the one that loathes gaslighting. people like me, huh? you know NOTHING about me, and you will learn nothing of me henceforth either, because i have no use for people like you. bye.

g

Innocent people do invite investigation. . . . NDT is just the newest target of the regressive lefters. He promotes science.

Personal experience. Sociopaths/psychopaths can usually, not always, spot one of their own.

Yes, much better. He is definitely overrated and it just annoys the piss out of me how much people are on the D of NDT. I'm no fan of Trump, not much of a hater either, but the way people are against him and his team and will jump at any chance anytime anything negative pops up. But when they're blinded by a sociopath's charm and basically feel bad that he is being accused, I find way more annoying than Trump and his team of asshats.

Overrated compared to whom?

@Jacar In general he’s not the first scientist to say the things he’s said it’s the usual Caucasian response to any minority that speaks proper to make that person the spokesperson for their race and/or their field of work.

@Alshaytan . . . not sure which side of the "divide" you think NDT stands.
Not being the first does not decrease our need to be reminded, regularly, repeatedly.

This is why so many authors/commentators have come to tell us the same stuff. Obviously the darkness does not stay away.