As background to the question above I’m currently doing some research into how people’s theistic beliefs influences their views on things like philanthropy, wealth creation and living responsibly. Would be fascinated to hear your honest views on this question.
Theists would readily help people of their own religion. They are less likely to help people who disagree with them.
Agnostics ... see atheists.
Atheists are thinking people and are more likely to have a good understanding of ethics than religious people. Therefore, I believe atheists would be more likely to help those in need.
@PalacinkyPDX I've been thinking about this. It's not too much to hope that religion dies a slow death, to the point that there is no belief in god. But there will never be a world without dicks and assholes. It's nice to think that all atheists came from a place of ethical understanding. But any woman-hating, racist, rhino-poaching, loathsome dickmouth can be an atheist
@PalacinkyPDX Sure, there are good atheists and bad atheists, just as there are good theists and bad theists. But, speaking from personal experience, I never gave ethics a second thought when I was a theist. I was taught to listen to what the church leaders told me, and obey them. Only when I left theism did I think to base my actions on the science of ethics. I am a much more compassionate man as an atheist than I ever was as a theist.
@BestWithoutGods that was not my experience of religion, but then, i was raised a secular jew, and my understanding of my inherited religion is that ethics are a HUGE part of it, and we are not threatened with hell, tempted with heaven or crushed into obedience while being told that our raison d'être was to help others, and that as long as one person isn't free, no one is free. i understand that this is not necessarily true of christianity, though, and everything i hear here reinforces that understanding.
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Simply an honorable person so no category you have in your poll fits.
I don’t accept the premise. Agnostics and atheists are not always (or even usually) two different things. The terms answer two different questions. Agnostic describes what I claim to know and and atheist describes what I believe.
I also don’t think there’s a significant enough correlation between beliefs and behavior to say which group is more likely to be generous with their time and effort. There are proactive, kind Christians and there are lazy, shithead atheists and vice versa, plus every degree in between. Depends on who you mean by those in need, as a lot of it depends on circumstance, location and individual descrimination. We all make judgement calls to determine who needs and deserves our help and who can go fuck themselves. Neither your beliefs nor your lack thereof will make you a better person. Your behavior does.
Theists will help by telling you to pray to Jesus for help.
Agnostics might want to help but they're just not sure.
Atheists will help because they know there's no one else.
As with most things, there is not one answer. There are generous, loving people in all three categories, just as there are greedy assholes in all categories. Without research which might be difficult to find, given that most charitable organizations don't ask, nor do they care, what you believe in when you send them money, actual numbers could be hard to come by. Given that hundreds of theist charitable organizations exist for every secular one, it makes it even harder to trace the beliefs of those who donate. I have read of non believers being turned away when they tried to volunteer to work for church related charitable organizations. But my guess these are a aberration rather than a norm.
Depends on what you call help. Theists generally give money to the church and call that helping. Many theists, atheists and agnostics will work with religion based and secular non-profit organizations. Personally, I will help individuals but won't give a penny to any non-profit.
thiests only because it serves their own purpose to recruit and get their heaven ticket, they are so fanatical about it they sacrifice their whole houshold to do so. athiests and agnostics are probably more interested in environmental issues. context is everything
Agnostics and Atheists I would say fall in the same category on this kind of question. At least IMO. Theists it depends on who was needing help. They would be more likely to jump on it if it was a church or family member, or someone/thing that they would be praised for helping. IME, non-theists are much more likely to help without the need for qualifiers.
Define help , define need , and define people for me .
Whatever has two legs and two arms is not always " people " in my book. I have 0 help / sympathy / empathy for child molestors , religious or atheists . 0 tolerance for abusers of any type , racists , homophobics , and anyone who exploits the weak / sick / desperate .
Anyone's beliefs and opinions on the matter of religions / gods, will not affect my decision or urge to " help " them .
However , I don't go to their churches to look for people in need . Stupidity irritates me . Hypocrisy as well .
Will I feed a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew who lost his house and his job ? Yeah , y not . Will I feed anyone who sides w criminal for the humanity beliefs even by silence and acceptance ? Yeah , most likely . He / she will probably have some of my $ , or time , or words , or whatever . But will never have my respect and meaningful friendship .
I'm more likely to help another HUMAN BEING. When somebody needs help religious beliefs, color or creed should not matter.
If you are Atheist then the consequences of doing nothing are absolute. If you are a theist, then there is almost always a loophole that makes doing nothing okay, although you would have to be heartless to still do nothing.
I think the better question would be who would help those in need without preconditions. I do not think any of these groups have a monopoly on people who would help or who would not. One thing I have always found interesting though is the fact that Churches and similar organizations are the first place many go to when talking about helping the less fortunate. Instead of taking the meat and potatoes morality of such faiths and applying it to our secular world we seem to use them as an excuse for NOT enshrining helping the less fortunate without all sorts of conditions and bureaucratic bull shit. You want to reduce the power of churches? Enshrine the ideals of secular morality as law. I find that most of the people I know who are ground floor Christians are far more willing to help people they do not know then non-believers. While I do not like the conversion aspect of their help in some cases I do like their specific willingness to help. And feel one of the great failing of secular thought is its seeming inability to embrace the simplest of moral ideals such as help those in need without all sorts of needless paperwork and such. Not to mention our governments willingness to cut at social services before anything else.
Atheists, because I believe their thinking is clear. Clarity of thought reduces gray areas and helps them make clear choices. Theists would give their money to church because they are not free thinkers. They do what they are told (in the name of God) and tend to depend on an unknown power to help them and solve their problems. When did you hear a theist organization or a church give money to a Muslim cause in the U.S. or Middle East? If at all, it is rare.
There are many instances of inter-faith outreach. Some that come quickly to mind was the Muslims providing aid and support to the Jewish people after the attack in Pittsburgh and several Christian churches coming to aid and rebuild a Mosque in Florida after it was fire bombed a few years ago.
@Barnie2years Agree there are many instances but these are still exceptions to the rule I think.
I can't vote because the premise is false from the start. I've witnessed a++holes in each group and I've witnessed people who have gone above and beyond to be kind, generous and charitable. It's the person and not always the group they most associate with - if you're a negative prick, you're going to find something that mirrors your world-views in the group you decide to associate with. The reverse is true for people who tend to be more positive.
In my opinion the question has zero to do with my opinion and wholly depends on the individual. also, not to throw a wrench into your science, and i am wildly guessing here but, i think that a lot of agnostics and atheists were raised to be theists. which part of their present charitable nature was formed while being taught religious charitable values?
The current look of things would make me think it is theists. Why? It's because they want their good works to guarantee them a place in heaven. Agnostics and atheists are really close to being the same but even though they would help a person in need, they might be held back by the total ignorance of the theist. Of course, theists are not perfect even though they wanna be. I took a friend to a food pantry one time and they have to hear a bit about Jesus and then pray before you get the free food.
Not all theists believe in good works. And even more are biased, helping only those that are within their faith or circle.
@BarbaraParks True. I was taken aback when the food pantry wanted to talk Jesus and then pray before giving out the free food. This seems like "strings attached" to me.
Sorry but you can’t group people when it comes to this.
And I say this because of human nature bias usually tends to play a part in the making the decision to help others.
Case in point most churches will send missionaries and money to help people in foreign countries all while ignoring the dozen or so homeless people who if they were to step into their church would be asked to leave.
Most atheists that I’ve met would step over a homeless person to take the dog that’s with and give it a proper home all while insinuating that the homeless person should’ve made better choices.
And agnostics for the most part would give the homeless guy food and water for them and their pet companion but that would most likely be the extent of that.
And these are from my observations in life and do not reflect upon everyone.
We are not a homogeneus class of people, and for practical purposes atheist and agnostic will act in the same way.
Help or not help is due to person's own culture,decision etc.
Probably the conditions/culture you were raised matter a lot more than your religious/non-religious choice.
Probably the same, but with different motivations and stipulations. Non believers are more likely to help anyone, and for no other reason than they could and it was the right thing to do. Believers will help those they deem worthy or safe, and are more likely (not always) to do so because they believe in a reward, or for show.
I’ll be honest. Theism tend to have credos and dogma that encourages the members to help others. Atheism does not.
Seems to me though that they would in reality all be pretty even. Why is atheism winning the poll currently? Probably bias.
In my opinion, the poll shouldn't necessarily be who would be most likely to help those in need but more explicitly where each group might be willing or "able" to help. I know some very conservative atheists that may help where a theist would and I know theists that wouldn't have a problem donating to programs like Planned Parenthood, etc.
Your question can be misleading. You might think I am biased because I am an atheist, but I can assure you that I am not.
Agnostics and atheists; I have always found easy to get along with, but a Christian person that I know will hold my atheism against me and even fabricate the truth to discredit me if possible.This I find keeps me on my guard whenever we meet. I believe there is only one race-the human race. Though religious people preach this, I find they are the ones who fail the most. Not all, but quite a few.