Scientific society is starting to believe there is only 50-50 chance of this world to be real. What do you think of this world to be a simulation.
A few scientists and philosophers have put it forward as a hypothesis or conjecture - I wouldn't go so far as to say the "scientific society is starting to believe" there's a 50:50 chance of it being the case.
(Great post, though - you certainly got a discussion going!)
I'd like to speak to the developer of this simulation I have some suggestions
We're not real. We are probably a Science Fair experiment for some alien kid from another star system.
I have pondered that idea, but since I have no real way of knowing, I just giggle about it and go on about living.
Agreed. My favourite scenario is Mork reviewing the iteration 3,456,234 of "earth variation 34" and saying: "CRAP, I had hoped that this run would show signs of continuation but it seems that the humans have again destroyed their world. It must be something in their DNA. So, Mindy, shall we reset now or wait for a few more earth centuries?"
"Scientific society is starting to believe there is only 50-50 chance of this world to be real."
This just isn't true. Scientific society (whatever that is) says it is very likely impossible. I read physics journals every day. They're not buying it.
The only prominent scientist spouting that is NdG. Physicists say "no way" as a community.
I hope you have heard of Neil deGrasse Tyson and he is an astro physicist who believes its a 50-50 game
Did you read what I said?
"The only prominent scientist spouting that is NdG. Physicists say "no way" as a community."
NdG = Neil deGrasse Tyson
One man doesn't equal a "scientific society"
When the information theory guys start agreeing with the "simulation" conclusion in masse, I'll take it seriously.
Those are the guys with truly applicable expertise.
@ScottAHurst My mistake I didn't read your comment properly. I understand that it's mostly considered as Butterfly Dream" of Zhuangzior the Indian concept of "Maya". Apart from NdG, Richard Dawkins shared the idea that there could be alien involvement in what we see and what we know. In this world of infinite possibilities this could also be a possibility or probably another religion in coming years lol ????????
Cogito ergo sum -- René Descartes
I think therefore I am; for me, that's all that is important about the big existential question. Suppose we exist in a simulation, is life any better or worse? No! We are tiny compared to the Universe, and ignorant of Why anything. Maybe we know a little history, and can predict a few things the future will bring. But, many questions go unanswered, and the nature of reality is just one.
As long as I am having a good time, who cares?
What if you are not having a good time =)
If that is the case I'd like them to fix my brains electrical faults (epilepsy). I am not a bug.
try cannabis oil, it controls seizures. And it's damned good at it.
@Savage I am on pretty effective medication right now.
It's a fun thing to think about. No doubt inspired by The Matrix movies, especially the first one. Then after thinking about those sort of unlikely possibilities , we just get on with our (mostly) mundane lives.
If you haven't, you need to see the 13th floor.
Neil deGrasse Tyson believe himself this could be true that there's only 50-50 chance all this to be real.
Ha....the Matrix part 2 & 3 shows a serious flaw in the programming.
Whether reality exists as we suspect it does or it is a giant simulation, we are conscious either way. Just enjoy it as much as you can.
Nonsense. I think the arguments related to this are seriously flawed and entirely based on assuming a lot of things of which we do not know if they are even possible.
It is pure conjecture, not unlike the little party game: "what if there was a god that created everything".
You may find Isaac Arthur's videos on youtube of interest, including "Megastructures 10: Matrioshka Brains," and "Civilizations at the End of Time: Black Hole Farming."
Like Michael Faraday, Isaac Arthur has a speech impediment, he cannot say the sound of an R. However, he has (arguably) the best collection of science videos, with science-fiction like predictions.
Where do I enter the cheat codes? This grinding thing is getting really old.
Ask the billionaires. I think they have it.
Is this that Holographic Universe Theory? I read about that a while ago. It's interesting, but as products of a simulation, embedded inside a simulation, knowledge about that or lack thereof would make no difference. That simulation would represent our universe, and we'd be limited to the rules of that universe.
The likelihood of this being a simulation is about as good as my winning the lottery on a day when there is no drawing and I have no ticket. I'd also like to know what part of the scientific community has arrived at those odds because it sure isn't the part in which I wander.
If you're talking about remarks made by Tyson, Musk, Kaku, etc. those are all based on what-if speculations. I do that a lot in my writing too, but it does not mean I place much credence in it. You know, like, what if Earth is somebody's petri dish and we are part of the spawn?
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As we approach the end of 2016, a number of people might be wondering whether there's some chance that the past year was just some sort of weird dream.
It turns out that if you ask the scientists whose job it is to probe the nature of reality, the answer is actually: Maybe.
Maybe everything that's happening is just a simulation being run on a computer by some smarter, higher order being (with a weird sense of humor).
Earlier this year, at the 2016 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate at the American Museum of Natural History, which addressed the question of whether the universe is a simulation, the esteemed panelists took a stab at explaining how we know about that question. Depending on whether you want reality to be real or not, the answers from some panelists may be more comforting than the responses from others.
Physicist Lisa Randall, for example, said that she thought the odds that the universe isn't "real" are so low as to be "effectively zero."
A satisfying answer for those who don't want to sit there puzzling out what it would mean for the universe not to be real, to be sure.
But on the other hand, astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, who was hosting the debate, said that he thinks the likelihood of the universe being a simulation "may be very high."
Uh-oh?
The question of whether we know that our universe is real has vexed thinkers going far back into history, long before Descartes made his famous "I think, therefore I am" statement. The same question has been explored in modern science-fiction films like "The Matrix" and David Cronenberg's "Existenz."
But most physicists and philosophers agree that it's impossible to prove definitively that we don't live in a simulation and that the universe is real.
Tyson agrees, but says that he wouldn't be surprised if we were to find out somehow that someone else is responsible for our universe.
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One of the main arguments that physicists use to talk about what's known as the "simulation hypothesis" is that if we can prove that it's possible to simulate a universe - if we can figure out all the laws that govern how everything works, which physicists are trying to do - that makes it much more likely that it is actually simulated. If we know that it's possible to do something, it's much easier to think that thing is being done.
We haven't been able to figure out how to simulate a universe - yet. But it's not too hard to imagine that some other creature out there is far smarter than us.
Tyson points out that we humans have always defined ourselves as the smartest beings alive, orders of magnitude more intelligent than species like chimpanzees that share close to 99% of our DNA. We can create symphonies and do trigonometry and astrophysics - some of us, anyway.
But Tyson uses a thought experiment to imagine a life-form that's as much smarter than us as we are than dogs, chimps, or other terrestrial mammals.
"What would we look like to them? We would be drooling, blithering idiots in their presence," he says.
Whatever that being is, it very well might be able to create a simulation of a universe.
"And if that's the case, it is easy for me to imagine that everything in our lives is just the creation of some other entity for their entertainment," Tyson says. "I'm saying, the day we learn that it is true, I will be the only one in the room saying, 'I'm not surprised.'"
And maybe that means there's some chance of doing a reset at some point.
A simulation of what?
What I experience is real to me and follows set rules. So realistically, I don't care if it is a simulation.
I'd still like to see where you get your evidence for the statement though.
I live in this world and, I wouldn't be able to distinguish between a real world from a simulated world, so until I have reason to believe this is a simulation I'm going to continue to accept that this is a real world. I'm fine saying it's possible that it's not real, but to say it's a flip of a coin would require evidence that would suggest that it's that would describe a mechanism that would allow for a simulation.