I would not question Dr. King being honored this way. That is on the merits of his contribution in the area of civil rights, not on his being affiliated with any religion. Billy Graham was in the business of proselytizing. He preached that there is only one way to god, a turn to Jesus or go to hell message (meaning that any other belief system an American could possibly subscribe to besides his leads to eternal damnation). He promoted the Bible as infallible and inerrant, thus endorsing its stance toward women, homosexuals, etc. The list of people that received this honor is a short one, consisting mostly of former presidents. Why not question an evangelist that promoted such a message over the years receiving this honor?

@KingofHarts You've made my point, thank you. I asked the question rhetorically to prompt your observation that it is not Graham's chosen vocation, but what he did in his life that makes people squeamish.

I think President "moron" is a little harsh, I prefer something more subtle, like President "shit for brains" Lol

Thanks for the link. That was good. Man, that is such a great honor that has been bestowed on so few. I am just baffled that he makes the short list on the merits of proselytization...

So passionate! (I'm glad it isn't directed at me )

Meh, I don't know about Pence going before 45. Maybe along WITH him. But practically speaking, the disgrace of a successful impeachment of 45 will go a long way toward neutering Pence and the rest of the now-craven GOP (God's Own Party).

Voting those two out of office in 2020 is probably the easiest way and about as fast, but I'd like to see both an impeachment AND a decisive defeat. It would send a message.

@mordant I really hope we don't have to wait until 2020. The damage already done will take generations to repair.

@KKGator Sadly I think it likely. I follow @SethAbramson on Twitter, which if you want to get into detail is a great source of knowledgeable analysis on the Mueller investigation. Based on what I've read there and elsewhere, all signs point to Mueller's final report coming late 2018 at the earliest, sometime next year quite possibly, and then Congress has to act, which is questionable unless we gain control of at least the house in this year's off-year election. Best case scenario, we sweep the mid-terms, Mueller's report comes right around then, and we get right down to business, but an impeachment resolution and the ensuing Senate trial can take a long time in its own right, and remember, the GOP may still hold the senate after the mid-terms. And the odds that Trump would resign to avoid impeachment are to my mind, negligible.

Of course popular opinion could finally turn against Trump if his parade of stupid continues, but if people have been largely unmoved by his perfidy up to now, I hate to think what it would take to wake them up. Millions dead on the Korean Peninsula perhaps? But that's safely on the other side of the planet, happening to Those Other People. I just don't know about my fellow man anymore ...

Sorry to not be optimistic about this but just not feeling it.

@mordant Don't be sorry for your lack of optimism. The time frame is probably correct. I'm just so sick of this fucking circus, I want it to end as soon as possible.

Joel = gos's used car salesman.