Nobody made any such claim...WTH is Your problem?

@AnneWimsey My problem is this: the soviet and chinese socialists created the so called psychological camps to place their enemies there under terrible conditions and heavy sedation. These socialist leaders considered any opinion different from theirs a mental illness. In my view, the American liberals handle Trump similarly. Bad example even for socialists!

@AnneWimsey Their ideology was called socialism. Simple.

@zesty so, if I name myself "Rumplestiltskin" I can be a 3' troll? Try SIMPILISTIC, as in just plain dumb. Their "ideology" had Nothing to do with socialism, in fact Communism (Russia & China) hate & abhor true socialism. Which you could easily learn, but noooooooo

@AnneWimsey Socialism means that the means of production belong to the state, as per Marx. Simple. For some reason when it happens, a lot of innocent people die. Interesting correlation!

@zesty no, that is Communism...especially. coming from Marx, and, as seen in the real world, a total failure. You seem Very confused......Marx Hated "socialism", and feared it.
Socialism is what we partially have here, where the roads are fixed, schools are run, SOCIAL SECURITY sends your Mom a check every month.

It's amazing that in order to be considered an expert at something one has to spend 8 yrs in college and shell out roughly over $100K just to be believed for something that's obvious to many. How about some credit for common sense?

@AnneWimsey I'm sure that I'm not confused. What you describe are social services. Not socialism.

@AnneWimsey In communism there is no money. Everybody works as much as he wants and takes as much as he needs. Classical definition.

@zesty Karl Marx INVENTED Communism...not socialism, and, repeat, he and fellow Communists like Lenin hated Socialism. You are still confusing the 2, they are Very different!
And BTW who on this thread had "lots of college" as per IAJ0163? And what is the relevance of that rather elitist remark?