Dictionary defines Agnostic as "A person who believes nothing is known or can be known about the existence or nature of God..."

@Flowerwall I just stated these exact words..why did you feel the need to repeat them back to me?

@Marionville Both refer to belief, you said one did. I think of them as being separate.

@Flowerwall I have given the exact dictionary definition,

@Marionville So at some points you think God is possibly there, but it's unproven?

@Flowerwall Anything is a possibility...it’s called having a mind which is open. If proof presents itself then one would have to consider the possibility. I think it’s unlikely, but not impossible.

Wouldn't that be advocating totalitarianism?

@Flowerwall What are you talking about?

@KKGator "religious indoctrination of children a felony" You would want the government to have control over beliefs?

@Flowerwall No. Just don't allow people to indoctrinate children.
If people want to believe in that bullshit, fine.
It just shouldn't be forced on children.
How is that a problem?

@KKGator Because that would involve the government having an unreasonable amount of control.

@Flowerwall It would be protecting children from being harmed by religious indoctrination, religious violence, and sexual predators. That's what government and laws are SUPPOSED to do. Protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

It's not "an unreasonable amount of control". It is the precise purpose of government.

@KKGator sexual mutilation of baby boys and young girls is religion in action which government should prevent or punish perpetrators as a message warning to future perpetrators.....if an adult wants to amputate his prepuce or her clitoris THAT IS ADULT FREEDOM children lack consent to such self abusive religion

@Larry68Feminist Another reason no child should be subjected to religious rituals. Or procedures which has their roots in religious rituals.

@KKGator however the fucking religious will cherry pick this logic ONLY TO PROTECT ZYGOTES EMBRYONIC GOO AND fetal parasites forcing all women to stay pregnant....NEVER PROTECTING WOMEN from harm during rape and pregnancy

@Larry68Feminist Yep

@KKGator the amount of harm done by this attempt to do-good would in no way justify this!

@AnneWimsey We're so far down this thread, I'm not sure what you mean.

@KKGator forced indoctrination is just as evil as the opposite!

@AnneWimsey Okay, gotcha. My point was that children shouldn't be indoctrinated, period.

I don't know that there really is an "opposite".
Adults can believe or disbelieve whatever they please.
As long as children are left out of it.
Granted, I don't really see that as being a any kind of real possibility.

@KKGator religion is infant boy brutal felony sexual assault and vicious rape of girl genital flesh....I will NEVER pretend religion is an unregulated freedom...religion is like cannibalism that must be eradicated anywhere it is discovered harming children.....far worse than sexual sadism in adults....learning to love pain is part of military culture.....if you want world peace, don't breed the next GENERATION of raped rapists

@Larry68Feminist I get it, Larry. You're preaching to the choir.
I really don't need further convincing.

@KKGator @AnneWimsey does

@Larry68Feminist No, she really doesn't. Not even a little bit.
Besides, even if she were to disagree, she gets to do that.

@KKGator thank you for this....surely you know there are many religious enablers on here who beat up on genuine Atheists ....I have been blocked by many of them

@Larry68Feminist @AnneWimsey is most definitely NOT one of them.
I also do not see "many religious enablers" here.
I do not get beat up on by anyone, and I'm definitely an atheist.

@KKGator I cannot do screenshots on my phone here but many Agnostics here equate Atheism as a religion and keep religious trolls around to bash them too.....classic fascist liberalism bigotry against true honest Atheists resisting entrenched professional academics.....telling me to seek a shrink last week is a fact from their ilk ....my crime was identifying the shortage of Atheist doctors calling her bluff....it may just be intended towards men and sheathed in a quiver from women

@Larry68Feminist Okay, I get it. You feel attacked by some, but try to look at it this way, FUCK THEM.
Don't take everything they say to you to heart.
If someone tells you that you need a shrink, consider the source.

You know, and I know, that atheism is NOT a "religion". It is the exact opposite, but for some, the idea of it just makes some people SO uncomfortable, they have to attack it.
Some of them won't listen to anything that runs counter to what they believe.
Instead of trying to convince them otherwise, fuck it.

Choose your battles. This site is just like real life, and every other place on the internet. It's filled with people who are not going to agree on everything.
That's just the way it goes.

Or, you can argue/debate, or otherwise clash, with everyone who doesn't share your ideas, positions, and feelings on things.
The choice is entirely your own.

@KKGator of course you are 100% correct and I don't take personal attacks seriously....the perpetrator replied to your post in opposite fashion to me .....that was my only purpose in preaching to my choir YOU there next to hers

Words matter birth names matter communities matter....depends upon who is selling fake dictionaries circumcision and conforming to sexual mutilation of young girls ....it is a deadly rapacious religious world and Atheist communities are defining innocence rights while Agnostics are claiming academic neutrality

@Larry68Feminist ummmm, what? It might be time to talk to a doctor, and I am Not being snarky!

@AnneWimsey ok, you choose academic while I am a healthy Atheist not talking to religious doctors

@AnneWimsey Seriously ? There are doctors who would REFUSE TO GIVE WOMEN LIFE SAVING ABORTIONS.....THERE are many religious doctors who are incompetent quacks if treating an Atheist.....same goes for nurses and pharmacists EVEN MASSAGE therapists are religious nuts who would chant or prEy during a massage....I HAVE ZERO religions and if a doc asked me assuming I was religious ANYTHING I would seek a new doctor for my infection, arthritis or injuries

@Larry68Feminist glad I ain't you, buddy.......

@AnneWimsey I am sad to read of your enabling evil religionists dominating our society with your blind trust of "professionals"

@AnneWimsey I won protection FOR SECULAR MEDICINE from the US Sup Ct in half measure due to sentiments prevalent @ law like yours

@AnneWimsey obviously "we" won't win the other half of secular medicine.....taxpayers and rate payers CANNOT afford tax exempt billionaire nuns owning 464 catholic hospitals in a future national healthcare system for all....BUDDY?

Sometimes it takes rehashing old concepts in New ways to refine out clarity in our message. It never hurts to go over something again.

This topic frequently gets discussed and we can never know if there is a God for certain, so always wonder.

Columbus fell into the Indian Ocean nearest Cuba when the local Arowaks failed to tell Columbus just how stupid lost and murderous he was

The assumptions that gawds gott gods are actual real words is your error leading to other people's conclusions.....we CAN know if a claim is rational with evidence.... when a claim is irrational and lacks any evidence the claim is dismissed by Atheists and assumed rational by Agnostics....however both Agnostics and Atheists clearly respond to believers dismissive of their alleged evidence

@Larry68Feminist . Yes, but we are still limited by our human brains. Granted, my human brain tells me there is no rational evidence for the existence of any kind of god (as we understand the word to represent)-especially ONE, almighty, all-knowing, creator god.

I think we can show clear evidence that discounts the existence of specific gods (such as the god of the Bible); but, because we do not have all of the knowledge of the universe, or universes, we simply cannot "know" whether some being, that we would define as a god, exists.

As soon as we say that we "know" no gods exists, it is upon us to provide the evidence--and that simply cannot be done. Again, I absolutely do not believe any exist. There is no reason for me to; but, I am agnostic in the sense that I accept that it simply cannot be "known." And, therefore I am an agnostic atheist.

Many definitions of nothing zero vacuum.... Atheists are just one kind of person.....zero religion inside our brains

Two false assumptions: 1. gawd = a word 2. Matter was created .....religion was recently created and matter/energy has always existed in motion ....time is a relative assumption longer for some observers shorter for other observers in motion away or towards each other

Aren't we all trying to figure ourselves, and the world around us, out?

@Flowerwall possibly but worrying about your self-imposed label creates further confusion as evidenced by the post.

I found it useful you posted this. Thanks.

Sumarry.
Agnostic is not about doubt, is about knowing that is useless to even speak in believe or not.