If mcconnell keeps control of the senate there will be only so much Biden will be able to get done. Sadly he may have to go with a pardon BUT only if there is a solid (and I do mean SOLID) commitment from Cyrus Vance that NY will go after prosecution of trump and his family. What Biden may be able to do is go after some of the people that helped trump, toady barr comes to mind. Maybe get some form of the Fairness Doctrine reinstituted for one thing.

@silverotter11 Looking the other way is one thing but a pardon is unpardonable. Again, we have the example of Ford and Nixon. Even Nixon was an extreme lightweight next to tRump. Even Nixon did not leave thousands of deaths and countless suffering and a system laid waste in his wake. Extreme actions require extreme responses. There has to be actions that show NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
Funny how the Republicans are the instigators of all the deceit and corruption in the US political system. Absolutely the Fairness doctrine must be reinstated but as you said what about Moscow Mitch?

@JackPedigo Would trump even except a pardon? You have to admit guilt to accept a pardon. I agree extreme actions require a response, I'm not sure how extreme. Certainly I personally would like to see trump and several of his supporters (jared and ivanka come to mind) on death row for their rolls in the non response to the pandemic. and I'm actually against the death penalty but for trump I'd make an exception.

@silverotter11 Interesting how those against capital punishment are wiling to look the other way for certain people. As to the question of leaving Afghanistan I looked up nationalities fighting in the country. [rferl.org] So pulling troops does not end the war but it does screw the other countries that are supposed to be our allies. I do think by the time all the paperwork and procedures are done to remove the troops he will be gone and Biden can rescind the order.

And if he or any in his 'family' get it they should get the same treatment as the average citizen. Maybe doctors need to reexamine their oath and see that harm extends to others outside of the patient.

@JackPedigo Jr has it.

@freeofgod I know that's why I made the comment.Maybe we'll get lucky and it will be shared by all the family members.

It's on my timeline.

trump is going scorched earth as his exit strategy, he intends to harm as many as possible and make as much money as he can by 1/20/2021. IMHO

The poppy growers were almost completely out of business, thanks to the Taliban, before we went into Afghanistan.

While the official US policy is to oppose the growth and production of drugs in other countries, the policy is mainly there to give the CIA the muscle they need to solidify their control over any given drug in any given country.

@mcgeo52 So America is into world domination, our purpose being to limit the use of drugs by Americans. Our dealing with the causei of our addiction would offend some powerful Americans. Wot? Me cynical?

@mcgeo52 It's almost as if the US government has a stake in American drug addiction. The war on drugs is such a money maker, not quite on par with military manufacturing but they work together. Me cynical? hahahahaha

We're still in Afghanistan largely because we threw away the chance to put the Taliban and Al Qaeda out of business back in 2003, when the Bush administration decided to invade Iraq instead. That invasion became a recruiting drive for Islamic fundamentalism.

We maintain a presence there because, if pressure is not kept on Al Qaeda in their home region, it will become the root of another 9/11. We're still essentially trying to clean up our own mess.

It's not the American government that is profiting from the drugs. It is the CIA. They use the money to fund dark ops.

@mcgeo52 That may be true, and if it is true, then hasn’t the government — at least the executive branch — for decades been consenting to what the CIA is doing? Profit follows.

@yvilletom, since GHW Bush ran the CIA before becoming VP under Reagan, and the Reagan administration used cocaine profits to fund the Contras, it would be ridiculous to argue that the executive branch under Reagan and Bush I didn't consent.

Since Mena, Arkansas was the main transshipment point for the drugs the CIA was bringing in from South America while Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas, it would be a real stretch to argue that William Jefferson Clinton was't in on it.

So, short answer? Yes.