Same

Isn't it ironic that if my afterlife beliefs are correct; I'll never know?

@DangerDave
So far I can report 100% success, plus perks.

I agree completely but please change your words before birth to before conception. Babies do have experiences before birth after a certain time in their gestation. I am definitely pro-choice but my experience tells me both of my children had deep-seated memories at least during the 7th 8th and 9th month of my pregnancy. For example, my son would almost jump out of his bed when I cleared my throat when he was a newborn. I finally realized this was because of the turbulence created by my belly rattling cough during the 8th month of my pregnancy. Both of my children are jazz fans despite the fact their friends made fun of them in grade school for liking the old music. I always felt they liked jazz because I am sure that's all they ever heard during my pregnancy.

@Lorajay Fair enough , semantics these days are more important than ever.

@DangerDave Em the Elf claims that there are no gods.

Atheists do NOT make the claim that no gods exist or that they "know there are no gods," an atheist does not care, because no evidence has been established for a god's existence.

Atheism is the absence of belief in gods, not the assertion that gods don't exist. The person making an assertion must prove that assertion.

Labeling or defining atheists to try to win arguments is ignorant.

@DangerDave You have not corrected anything. You are simply misconstruing the meaning of words to fit your ignorance.

Agnostic: a = without; gnostic = knowledge
Atheist: a = without; theist = belief in god

I'm sure Em the Elf would not be pleased.

@DangerDave What knowledge have I claimed?

There are people who have never even heard the word god or about a god, they are inadvertently atheists but they are not inherently stupid.

I've already explained that here: "Imagine for a moment that the concept of god never existed, that no one had ever heard of such an ..."/

Also, if you are going to quote Sagan at least have the decency to quote him accurately: "By some definitions atheism is very stupid"

@DangerDave You cannot be that ignorant, it is inaccurate BECAUSE it is incomplete. You are so dishonest and disingenuous you easily spout nonsense like a believer. Em the Elf is disappointed.

"The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall of words between his consciousness and his real self. We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves." - Eric Hoffer - Author of The True Believer

@DangerDave Just more "wall of word" nonsense to delude yourself into believing you know what you are talking about. You don't.

Em the Elf thinks you are very naughty.

@DangerDave Blah, Blah, Blah

Em the Elf says you are just believing in unbelief.

@DangerDave I'm not the child who created "Em the Elf", you are. You also told me that "she" was "real", that you "met" her, and that you could delve into her psyche.

That is not only childish, it is delusional.

Why did you delete your comments on the fairy post where you stated that there is evidence for fairies and Bigfoot? Don't worry, I've been saving your comments.

@DangerDave : Everyone, if they are intellectually honest, is agnostic when it comes to the existence of a god, or gods as NO ONE can KNOW whether one (or more) exists, or not.

The honest theist will say, "I cannot know but I BELIEVE there is a god."
The honest atheist will say "I cannot know but I DO NOT BELIEVE there is a god."

Atheism by definition is the LACK OF BELIEF not a statement of knowledge.

I, by definition, am an ATHEIST because I do NOT BELIEVE any gods exists. This is NOT a claim of knowledge, but of lack of belief.

Most people tend to think ALL atheists claim to KNOW there is no god; therein lies the problem... and THIS is why NGT stays away from that label--because it is MISUNDERSTOOD by most people.

I will take on an atheist who claims to KNOW there is no god because that claim is BEYOND the definition of atheism.

I will also take on someone who claims that because someone identifies as an atheist they are making the definitive claim that there is no god when it is the definitive claim that a person absolutely does not believe that any kind of god exists.

@DangerDave : I understand that, but when you go after "atheists" here, where most of us don't understand that word as it is largely understood (misunderstood) it feels like an attack on those of us who identify as atheist and who wish to educate those who misuse/misunderstand the word.

@DangerDave You claim that atheists assert there is no god while at the same time you assert that there is evidence of god, fairies, and Bigfoot. When I asked for the evidence for these, you claimed the Shroud of Turin as evidence, a YouTube video as evidence, and that there is "lots of evidence on the internet." Not only that, you believe in an elf of your own creation that you interact with.

You are delusional.

I have already explained atheism to you here: "If I declare that my god is real and that it's scriptures are infallible."

@nogod4me Imo, @DangerDave sees himself as, possibly, the Prophet of All things Magical, Mystical and Imaginary that are beyond the realms of Reality and as such MUST be the Messiah who shall bring all and sundry to such beliefs.

@DangerDave A theist who makes a statement of fact that a god exists must have proof for that statement. An atheist who makes a statement of fact that a god does not exist must have proof for that statement. There will always be people who assert something without proof and define themselves however they choose. An atheist does not make the assertion that a god does not exist, they do not need to, believers have not provided evidence to prove a god’s existence. The lack of evidence nullifies the believer’s statement. Why would someone waste their time on baseless conjecture? When someone offers evidence that would justify looking at that evidence.

By “gnostic atheist,”, I assume you are referring to someone who believes they KNOW that a god does not exist, which would be ridiculous since the believer has not provided the evidence to have knowledge of, if the believer makes a statement of fact, they must have proof. An atheist does not make the assertion that a god does not exist, those who do must have proof. The confusion lies in individuals who define themselves as an atheist but state they have definitive proof and asserting as fact there is no god. Just as a theist states there is definitive proof and asserting as fact there is a god. You are trying to label all atheists as those who state definitively there is no god.

I have rarely found any atheist who makes the assertion that a god or gods do not exist. It is usually ex-theists who do not completely understand what "atheist" means, and are still internalizing the labels that theists have imposed on atheists. Some are trying to purge themselves of lingering fears and beliefs and make assertions that they have no proof of.

An atheist does not believe in the existence of a god or gods, it's that simple. Atheism is not a religion, nor does it have faith there is no god. Does not believe = non-belief, it is the absence of belief, not the belief in the absence of something. An atheist does not make the assertion that a god does not exist, for then the burden of proof falls on them, just as it would if you asserted that a god does exist. Religion has asserted for centuries that a god exists, they have produced no evidence, so there is no reason to TRY to prove or disprove a baseless fabrication.

@DangerDave You are just being willfully ignorant. I am not saying that it is false because believers have no proof, I'm saying that it is irrelevant, who cares what people believe, some people believe in fairies and even elves of their own making. Just because believers believe something doesn't make it true. Show me the body of Em the Elf, and once we have her dissected then we can know something about her. Without evidence all we would have is just believers words, which is irrelevant, proof has substance.

@DangerDave What are you talking about? Who has said "they know gods don't exist?"

I have never seen photos of Em the Elf. Now you are saying that she is human and not an elf, you have serious problems.

@DangerDave "Getting the site shut down," you sound like Trump. You told me Em was an elf, now you are saying that she is a human "playing" an elf. Make up your mind, is she an elf or is she human?

@DangerDave You are just spewing nonsense, what is wrong with you?

@DangerDave Actually, I did not, you are a liar. I said we could have Em the Elf's body dissected, not a human.

I have never heard of Em the Human.

You have never stated she was a human, that is why I have been making fun of you.

@DangerDave You are very unstable.

@BirdMan1 I think DangerDave may deleted his profile.

15 grain, but it's all relative; did I actually type this, or is this site in my head...oh well back to more LSD and mushrooms on my toast.