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Love animals - would never eat an animal I raised.

@sassygirl3869
not trying to pick a fight, just curious.
What about an animal you didn't raise?
Most people have never met or seen, let alone raised any of the cows, chickens or pigs that have been on their plates.
Agreed, most people don't want to eat their cat.

My sister in-law had cow,pig, chickens, I would not eat at her house. If it has a name or I can pat it no way.

@sassygirl3869 Ok. Thanks for the reply. I think I get it. So no animal ever. Regardless of if you have seen it personally or not. Gottcha. And fair enough.
I think it's a sad fact that a lot of inner-city kids don't even really understand that bacon comes from a pig or hamburger from a cow. I'm not sure they understand that meat comes from animals.
It might change their appetites if they did know.

But you'd eat their products: milk, cheese, and eggs? That still makes hoards of livestock. Probably easier to keep your own, however, and shrink the herds.

@sassygirl3869 During her vegetarian phase my daughter used to say "Nothing with a face".

Plants are not living beings and have no nervous system or brain... never have I seen a a vegetable cry, squeal and struggle to get away. I’m sorry but that’s just ridiculous. If I made it through today with a full belly and nothing died where is the justification to kill an animal tomorrow? You can not put plants in the same category as animals... sounds like you know the animals you eat didn’t want to die so you want to put plants in the same catagorry, perhaps to feel better about slaughtering animals to eat?... note: we don’t slauter carrots. I became vegan to help with a debilitating migran problem and I’m much better. After I went vegan I learned about the impact on the enviorment the meat industry has. One of the best ways to combat climate change is to eat a plant based diet. I don’t expect everyone will but I do expect the planet and it’s inhabitants to suffer the consequences of that choice.

@ArdentAtheist You proved my point exactly. Research more. I made no point about the environment either. I know what impact meat eating has on the environment in terms of mass production. I also didn't talk about why YOU became a vegan.

@Piece2YourPuzzle My mistake, Didn’t realize I was only allowed to say the things you approved of... I added what seemed appropriate for the post... I also think you’re doing a good job of making my point. And Guinness is vegan I realize you didn’t mention beer but it’s awesome.

@ArdentAtheist Oh ok. You proved me wrong I guess.

i was wondering if someone was gonna say it. i remember one of the first things i was surprised to learn in school, during science, was that plants and even fungi are living things. it was the first time i had been introduced to the idea that something doesnt have to be made the same as us to be alive. that eventually got me interested in the idea of intelligence outside of humans, sort of similar in that i found just because something isnt built like us doesnt mean its not smart.

Soylent green.

There would be no sorry hoards of livestock had we not bred them from wild. Natural life is preferable. Get people to stop breeding livestock until they're gone? Ha. too much money involved there.

@GoldenMean
The all might dollar is usually at the hear of things.
I agree that we, as a society, could do will less meat, and certainly a lot less processed foods.
What's your thoughts on other domesticated animals?? Horses? Dogs? Hamsters?

Good on you for backing up your ideals with action. The world could use more of that.
Follow up question...
How do you feel about zoos or keeping animals as pets... or exotic pets?

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...hang on a second... Not trying to start anything... but...
Is your profile picture you on a horse... with a leather saddle?
still - not trying to fight, but curious.
Where do you draw the line?

(I love animals and don't want to see any mistreated, abused, in pain... or the like. I don't have any pets - but that's more because of allergies and other circumstances. I eat meat and own leather shoes...)

Yes, scurry, that is a leather saddle, although I also have a synthetic saddle. I also have leather boots, bridles, and other leather products which I purchased before I became a vegetarian several years ago. I do make it a point to avoid these kinds of purchases now. Also I still eat poultry and fish, and dairy by-products like butter and cheese so I’m not a 100% true vegan. I am still a work in progress. And yes, I have furry friends—a siamese mix cat I rescued from a shelter, a golden retriever that my sister gave me after I had to put my rescue dog down with bone cancer, a mustang horse that is more a pasture pet than anything else as he seldom is ridden, and a donkey a friend gave me who couldn’t keep him any longer that is a great source of joy and laughter. My furry buddies are my family and own me. I prefer their company to most people. They all seem happy and are dearly loved and very spoiled. I couldn’t imagine my life without animals around me. It would be a bleak existence indeed! As to where to draw the line, it is a not a simple thing. I guess I would have to say that I go with my gut instinct to do no harm and to strive to make choices that are just, compassionate and right according to my own moral compass.

@Thinks22much I love these pictures!! Your Golden looks like a character!! ♥
Thank you so much for your reply. I love animals too and think they can bring a lot to someone's life, and that we can serve then we'll too. I know many folks who are owned by their cats or dogs.
It's difficult to draw the line, but I think letting your gut make the call is a good start.
You've given me food for thought.
Thank you again. ?

i saw a study a while back that suggests that at least some animals other than humans do contemplate things like right and wrong. im not sure how far they got, i know one study doesnt prove much, but it was interesting.

Factory farms are cruel, terrible, wrong, and are a huge contributor to pollution, and destruction of the environment. I am sure everyone knows that, but do they eat meat from grocery stores that comes from factory farms anyway? I don't. I live on a farm. We have chickens, ducks, geese and we eat their eggs and eat them. They are free range, fed the best food, are out scratching, looking for bugs, having sex, sitting on eggs and hatching them out, and raising babies. We have pigs. They are two different heritage breeds. We only have a few, and they are raised together, free range in the pasture and part of the yard, fed the best food, root around and eat what they want in the ground, they are turned loose in the big garden after we have harvested and they have a good time rooting, eating, they turn their water over to make mud baths in the hot weather, they have sex, babies, and we hang out with them, and scratch them, love on them, and give them names. When we slaughter a non human animal, that lives with us, we take them away from the others, give then a big bowl of their favorite food and shot them in the brain while they are happily eating. They fall and don't move. When we know they are dead, we then start to butcher. We mourn for every animal that we kill, we honor them, and thank them. We never take them for granted. We eat them. We have a friend who has beef that is raised the same way, and we eat her beef. I never buy meat at a store. I know the suffering that the animal went through, and I won't be part of it. I also believe that if I am out in the woods and a bear or wolf or mountain lion kills me and eats me, it is fair and right.

@Wisewoman3 you hit the nail on the head. the one issue i have with living this way is the cost, im not saying once its all set up its more expensive, but i live on a very low budget. the idea of being able to find a place where i could do this,and afford somehow to get started tho is still my dream

There would be no domestic food animals if we had not created/bred them. There would be just the wild ones. And there would probably be fewer deformed dogs bred for certain jobs.