actually.... I think LBJ said: " Democrats have lost the Southern vote.."@TheInterlooper

Let's say LBJ said both, (and I'm positive of one) I still miss your point. Are you saying an a-hole can't do the RIGHT thing on occasion ...OR.. that the civil rights act of 1964 was wrong ? Kind of a silly point ether way. @TheInterlooper

That was in 1964. What have they done since LBJ that was substantial and meaningful? Candy ass stuff like unpaid family leave doesn't count, at least in my book, and neither does gay rights or Obamacare. Why? Because none of those cost the rich or corporations any real amounts of money or power. Even Obamacare was a profitable gift to the health insurance and drug companies, as well as hospital systems.

They did some good things a lifetime ago. But I'm talking about the modern democratic party.

Your agenda is obvious. I urge you not to vote Democrat. @RoboGraham

I also urge you to list the accomplishments of the viable alternative to voting Democrat...... just saying @RoboGraham

@RoboGraham Exactly! They have done nothing significant since I was a child and LBJ was prez. He was the last progressive prez we had, at least on economic policies, unless you count Nixon, who was way to the left of the modern Dems on economic policy.

strange that you would mention Nixon who destroyed affordable health care in America... think HMO's @TomMcGiverin

@Leetx Overall tho, he was still way to the left of today's Dem Party on economics affecting the working class and middle class. He had to be, in order to beat McGovern in 1972.

Very well said. That's it exactly.

50/50 Senate with 2 Democratic "NO" votes means we can't pass any of this stuff. gQp insured Obama didn't, either, but he also wasn't politically savvy enough to get much. You folks who complain about the Democrats seem to forget the realities of getting anything passed in Congress (and all of what you mention needs Cogressional approval from BOTH CHAMBERS). Pelosi has passed much of it. So, no, it isn't well said or well thought out.

@rainmanjr

50/50 senate with the democratic vice president as tie breaker. Those two democratic no votes are democrats. The exact people I'm talking about. The party fails to get much of anything done even when they are in complete control and they conveniently always have a few conservative dems to blame.

@rainmanjr

The realities of getting things passed in congress is that the democrats consistently fail to get things passed through congress.

I would say the same about the republicans except they don't pretend to be helpful.

Did he even ask a question?

It looks to me like he is telling us something about the democrats, not asking. And why bring up republicans?

Perfection is impossible. I want them to at least try to do what they promised the voters to get elected. It's not too much to ask.

@RoboGraham So the Dems delivered on their promises: lip service, platitudes, tokenism, performative gestures, empty promises, and let downs. And still you complain.

Who did what to you when you were a kid?

What do the republicans have to do with it?

@RoboGraham

It drives me crazy when pointing out how terrible the democrats are and people respond with whataboutisms. The republicans are worse, yes, that doesn't mean the dems are any good.

@Zoltans_Queen we learned from repubs and it works for them soooooooo

I do agree neither side is perfect but what is happening to the repub party is criminal we need 2 sides to function well

@whiskywoman

Right, republicans are really really bad. But that doesn't mean we ought to be using their criminality to excuse democrats when they are horrible, which is very often.

This discussion is on the topic of democrats only pretending to help people. Bringing up how bad republicans are is just a whataboutism.

Of course

@RoboGraham With both parties in normal times serving the ruling class, the only help is that which we give ourselves or give each other.

These are not normal times; the GOP is serving DJT, hoping he won’t throw them under the bus. The Dems, who want to grow their majorities so they can better serve the ruling class, are presently helping us.

What a strange question. Who doesn't want real help rather than a fake gesture of help?

@Zoltans_Queen Strange times produce strange questions.

Usually, both parties serve the ruling class. The GOP is serving Trump and the Dems, hoping to keep their majorities in Congress, are presently serving voters.

Your bio says you teach English. Here’s a related haiku.
English, our language / Has two excellent uses: / Poetry and fraud.

@yvilletom

They are not serving voters. They are reneging on their campaign promises and doing whats best for their top campaign contributors, same as usual.