I tend to be a pretty open minded person, so the way I see most things is even if I don't think its ok for me, that doesnt mean I think its not ok for you. this fits a lot of situations in life for me, from politics to religion to romance and beyond. I will use romance as my example tho since thats what brought the subject up.
so, I am a strictly monogamous person, but I have many friends that choose an alternative lifestyle. we get along just fine, I just have no interest in being romantically involved with them. I have had two distinctly different conversations about this. in one, a poly friend of mine asked me out, I politely declined. he asked why and I told him that while I don't have anything wrong with other people choosing multiple partners, it wasnt for me. he was very upset and said I was being prejudiced. when I later retold this story to another mono friend. they were shocked that I allowed a poly person in my circle. both of these points of view seem to me to be a bit extreme for me. but it got me wondering how the rest of the world views such things, so please feel free to give me some insight into another point of view.
You should be comfortable with who you are with. I have gay friends, but I'm straight does the fact that I won't date my gay friends make me prejudiced? Does it mean I'm not open minded if I can't get past my biased attraction to women? Is it offensive to my straight friends for me to have friends who aren't?
I don't see your situation as being any different. Do what you need to to be happy.
Just because I'm poly doesn't mean I screw anything that slows down. The way I see it, your poly friend was trying to bully you into a relationship; your mono friend seems to believe all poly people are cheaters. Both are wrong.
As long as you are comfortable with who you are, and the friends you associate with, it doesn't matter what other think/believe.
Bang on ... people are people .. poly is just a label to identify a sexuality / preference.. not a moral code.
Obviously the person who asked you out was not respecting your right to have preferences - the same right they have ! People CHOOSE to be offended, or not.
I'm ok with whatever harmless choices people make (along with the god thing), as long as they don't get all crazy because I'm not joining in !
The guy that asked you out said you were prejudice in an attempt to shame you into thinking his way. Good for you shows you have a strong will. The mono friend was consol and also shamed you into making you think that you had made a mistake. Was no mistake on your part was a choice because you enjoyed the first ones company. People will ultimately try to manipulate and it takes common sense to see through it. To which you had done.
Would not a simple
"No thank you"
have been enough?
If they insisted on a "Why?" you just say "I don't think of you in that way, we're friends."
Anything after that and they are being creepy and disrespectful, but if they accept it, end of problem.
You don't have to get in to a moral or philosophical arguement over this.
no, i agree that i don't have to, and i don't even intend for it to be an argument. but i have always been interested in what and why others think the way they do. i suppose both views were so far from anything i had ever thought of, that i was trying to see if there was some sort of rationality to it. i try to keep in mind that sometimes i don't have enough info to think one way or another about something, or that even if someones beliefs are alien to me, that doesnt always mean they are bad or wrong. but i also have to remember that some things are wrong to me no matter how i look at them. trying to push your beliefs on others is wrong to me, just like rapists are bad to me. but not everything is so black and white. im often curious how far outside the norm my opinions and beliefs are, even tho it doesnt mean i want to change them because of it.
I’m with you, I completely respect people who can make poly relationship(s) work but I also know it’s not for me. I would have politely declined as well.
exactly! i kinda see it like this. i like every kind of critter ive ever heard about. some of them have multiple mates, some stick with one. and there are even degrees within those two options. some animals are monogamous for each breeding season, staying with one mate at a time, but choosing a new one each breeding season or each few breeding seasons. my point is, that doesnt change if i like them or not because i don't plan on sleeping with them. same as a poly person. i have no problem with them sleeping with multiple partners, as long as none of them are me. if i don't plan on sleeping with you, i don't see how what you do in the bedroom(or where ever) should be any of my concern. (unless theyre doing stuff with kids, or rape, or stuff like that, then it concerns me because i feel that it is my right and honor to help protect those who can't protect themselves. but thats a whole other topic.)
This has always been my go to phrase when anyone attempts to tell me how I should live my life.
"I do my thing and you do your thing.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations,
And you are not in this world to live up to mine.
You are you, and I am I,
and if by chance we find each other, it's beautiful.
If not, it can't be helped."
(Fritz Perls, "Gestalt Therapy Verbatim", 1969)
A shorter version is "You do you and I do me" and I add "strive to do/cause no harm."
He asked why. You told him. He choose to get pissed off when he didn't get the answer he wanted. That is the risk you run when you ask. If he didn't want the answer he shouldn't have asked. You weren't rude or harsh, you answered his question. He is the one with the problem. As far as your mono friend, what is her problem. She might have poly friends that she doesn't even know about. They aren't hurting her or anyone else. She has no right to judge your friends, when she doesn't even know him. Two big babies.
In romance the journey can be a solid one or fluid. As long as those who are part of it know the rules.
I can't say whether I'd ever try a poly relationship myself, but I'd support those that do live that way.
However, we should accept with respect the lifestyles of one another, as long as that is between consenting adults.
oh my golly you guys and gals and various others, thanks a bunch. i try to be as open minded as i can, but both of those views just seemed so...idk... forceful and closeminded. i really do try to be cool with all sorts but that kinda made me uncomfortable in both situations. its nice to know i wasnt being as bad as they thought i was.
It happens in all walk a of life. 'You are either with us, or against us.'
As long as a person isn't hurting anyone it's up to them who and how many people they fuck.
Irrational but not offensive; people act, say, feel and think exactly what they are conditioned to by their interest group.- its what 'belonging is all about ' upholding the group psyche. There are conflicts everywhere that there are people who 'need' to hold biased views in order to stay with their group of comfort - Others of us who are used to not belonging, not fitting in easily, get to be freer but at a price too. Its just how humanity comes.
Well said. I've always called it "social conditioning" and it's definitely a thing.
I've a couple of "poly" friends and don't judge them by it. I'd be angry if one of themverbally put me in a corner the way yours did. I quietly brushed a friend off. I don't hold it against him as he must have been remembering how wild we all were "back in the day", but no more for me.
Still love him to pieces, but platonic it is for us.
You have the freedom to choose and to decide who and how to date and mate. No one should impose a lifestyle on you. Never feel guilty for making a Right decision. Never!
You are right, both reactions are narrow views. You always can learn from someone who believes differenly than you, but you certainly don’t have to stick your head in the lions mouth just because you want to see a real lion at the zoo!
Sex in the west is overly taboo... period. What should it matter if consenting partners do whatever they'd like? Monogamy for humans and our closer primate relatives is an aberration; or perhaps better put, most individuals of these species practice "poly" sex at times; and there are substantive "arguments" (not to be too teleological here) for engaging in such behavior. Building of bonds, spreading ones genetic license....
i agree theres nothing wrong with polygamy. i just don't think im a bad person if its not for me.