that’s a fucked up system bc it isn’t in there, with all due respect; the concept of “afterlife” comes to us from the cult of sol Invictus apparently, but “afterlife” cannot be Quoted from the Bible, refs on request. Did you accept the interpretation of believers maybe? Why?

the kingdom of heaven is within you
No one has ever gone up to heaven…
I came that you might have LIFE, more abundantly

so i mean don’t get me wrong, as an “atheist” you are certainly entitled to believe whatever you like, but we only fool ourselves, imo

@bbyrd009 I don't really understand what you're getting at. I'm just going off what I half-assed learned from Christianity as a kid. I don't personally believe any religion and certainly don't care to study it.

@Kynlei ha well me neither

Ha but if it is strictly nature it’s ok huh? lol
Contemplate a “God” that does not exist, maybe
or i mean stay gnostic and pissed off, ok with me, kids always know better than their parents right

How might you teach kids the futility of war without letting them go to war? Ever told a little baby kid not to put their hand in the fire bc “it burns?” On kid two you for sure know that they are going to be needing burn cream in 3, 2, 1…right?

@bbyrd009 If it is nature, it is what it is. if there actually were a God/Gods of course it would be incredibly cruel on his/hers/their part. This is not complicated. Don't try to make it so.

@Sticks48 seems simple, sure, but note how you have defined this god/gods to suit you, before you even get started “not believing” him/it? Fwiw i don’t believe in that god either ok; im with you there. It would be incredibly cruel from our point of view, if god were invested with the personality that we inevitable assign to “him,” sure

so i mean try not doing that, even just for a thought experiment maybe

@bbyrd009 Modeling their Gods after humans is exactly what humans have done with most if not all of their Gods.

Perhaps you got a bad concept of God?

@bbyrd009 What, there's a good one?

@racocn8 well, “bad, good” i dunno, but there might be a more accurate one, that is likely…less definable than we would like. What’s wrong with something like “Maybe” or even “Who really knows?”

@racocn8 I agree with you. Like Hesse said, the concept of god is an insanity. Could there be a good insanity or a bad insanity??

@bbyrd009 Let us know if you come up with a definition that obliges action on our part.

@Healthydoc70 i completely agree with Hesse, if the “Christian” concept of “God” is used. Iow i completely disagree with Hesse, who was an idiot to accept believer interpretations at face value imo

@racocn8 I said “you are Elohim” maybe?
but no action is obliged that i am aware of? The priest and the Levite saw a guy in a ditch and crossed to the other side of the road, right
And they didn’t get zapped or anything?
But it was the “atheist” who Jesus praised for doing the right thing eh