A general question and plain noseyness.
What made you become an atheist, agnostic, non-believer or whatever?
I was never anything else.
I had a father who was atheist and a mother who was 'vaguely christian' but not a church-goer. BOTH of them trusted their children (my 3 sisters and me) to make our own decisions.
Result:
Oldest sister - strongly religious, preaches at her local churches.
Middle sister - vaguely christian but not a church-goer, like our mother.
Youngest sister - solidly atheist, but not as vocal about it as me.
Me - howling atheist.
The four of us all love each other dearly, and all four respect the views of the other three.
I don't think I "became" anything other than honest.
What is it when you force yourself to believe in a talking snake and donkey, fish with a man living inside it for days at a time, dead people coming to life, human sacrifice, and blood magic?
I call it delusion.
Honestly no one believes this shit, they joined a tribe and say it's true to fit in.
Screw that tribe.
The other religions aren't any better, but honestly they aren't worse either, even Islam, all BULLSHIT.
I was born an atheist, just like everyone else is.
Indoctrination didn't take.
We all like to think our own position is the “natural” one, but biology is a b#ch.
@skado If there were ever real evidence of what you are asserting, no one would have to go searching for it.
Sure, there are plenty of authors expounding upon their own particular theories. They can cite all sorts of studies to make their theories plausible.
As far as I'm concerned, it's not that much different than those who choose to cite anecdotal evidence to prove the bible is the actual "word of god".
I'm not renting that bs, let alone buying it.
In my early 30s, starting to questioning I was taught as a baptist. My family cramming that sect down my throte . I did try other sects to see if that would make me happier and briefly it did. When, my mother implied that I would go to hell if I became an catholic was the last straw. Plus, how religious people treat the gay community. So, 3 and half years I was tired of the bs and started my journey of enlightenment.
I never became a theist…I was born this way, it is the human default position.
and then you woke up, but i must say that otherwise you seem like a quite respectful and centered person
I think you may be mistaken about the default position, but I agree with byrd about your overall balance.
@skado I will concede it possible I could be mistaken, but I am of the firm belief that I am correct, although I’m prepared to say I believe some people may be predisposed through evolution to a having a need to believe in a greater being.
@Marionville
Some... like, apparently about 80%?
Check out John Wathey’s “The Illusion of God's Presence: The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing”
@skado ok…I must be one of the 20%, but how anyone can measure it with any degree of accuracy I would question, given that most children are introduced to the belief in there being a god at an early age, depending on the belief system of the parents. Even those children whose parents are not deeply devout are still absorbed into some belief of god’s existence almost by osmosis. Children are not born with a knowledge of any deity or higher power, the idea is planted in their brains almost subliminally and they become “mini me” believers in whatever their particular family believes.
Thanks for the references to reading material, that is kind, however I have no real desire at my stage of life to read any further material of this kind of subject matter…long ago finding a contentment in my own beliefs.
@Marionville
I don’t blame you for not wanting to read the book, but just to summarize, it does explain, and cite ample studies that indicate that evolved mother-child bonding instincts have installed in the human species at large, a general (not exclusive) tendency to feel the presence of a protective entity even when none is visible. This helps the infant trust that it has not been abandoned when its mother is not in view. Some infantile instincts automatically recede after infancy, and some, for reasons unknown, do not. This particular one is of the latter class.
I was very young when I figured out religion (the entire church/god fairy tale) was not founded in reality as the stories they preached often did not agree with logic or the truth of the observable world. The fantasy story about the star that led the three wise men to Jesus cemented my "this book (and religion founded on it) is demonstrably not based on reality" observation. I figured religion was nothing more then a another tool old people used to control children.
And a coping mechanism.
Reading Karl Popper's "On the Logic of Scientific Discovery"
Recognising the multiple logical fallacies in the claims made by religious people.
Probably the initial thing was preschool Sunday school class at the fundamentalist Christian church my grandparents would drag me to, whenever they could.They started with Genesis, which is full of one inhuman atrocity after another. By the time they got to Abraham and Isaac, I was so horrified I was having nightmares. I am not sure my not-so-religious, but fairly indifferent, parents were aware just how traumatizing I found all the stories, lessons, and threats of hell; but at one point my father did have the presence of mind to tell me, "These are just stories. You don't have to take them literally." I clung to that little shred of disbelief like a lifeline until I was old enough to openly reject the whole business.
I was “raised Catholic”, although not very devoutly . I distinctly recall the moment at age seven, before my first communion, when I realized, “this is a bunch of baloney”. Of course I (mostly) did as I was told until I left home at seventeen. When I reached high school, I was told to “go register for Catechism class”, which I did not do…but it gave me 2 & 1/2 hours every Tuesday evening to do whatever I wanted. My children are baptized “for the grandparents”, one Catholic and one Lutheran, and my daughter even made her first communion…because she wanted to. My son attended a Catholic boys high school, as a non-Catholic, where he had religion class weekly. I feel that exposure to religion helped both make their choices intelligently. Neither is religious, but both are moral. And if I am being honest, I should state that I did tell my children there was a Santa Claus, but never said there was a god.
It began in my early teenage years when I sought answers to basic questions and none of the answers that I ever received resonated within me.
Belief or non belief are not merely confined to religions for it seems to me that we as human beings hold all kinds of unexamined beliefs which we may regard as a truth but upon closer examination we may discover that nothing could be farther from a truth.
You mean to tell me that the genocidal maniac known as the Sky Fairy is a fiction?
What made me identify as an atheist was assuming the popular notion that religious mythology was intended to be taken literally, which made no sense to me after about 14 years of age.
What made me abandon the atheist identity was realizing that the mythology made perfect sense when understood figuratively, as originally intended.
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14 was about when i got kicked out of my first sermon too, ya
lol
guess you prolly didnt stand up, interrupting, and start asking pointed questions? it was a really bad idea lol
but i have since learned to don't mix milk and meat
Yep, good philosophy, poorly translated in religion.
Simple, I outgrew religion. Then I became an agnostic for a few years, then became an atheist. I'm an agnostic atheist.
are you sure?
I, also, am an agnostic atheist.
Never was in the faith thing. But if you want to know what made me not merely an agnostic atheist, but a hard working anti-religion agnostic atheist. Then that is because in the UK, many schools are still religion based, and at school I came close enough to religion to see at first hand the corruption, dishonesty , cruelty and bullying that it leads to. And since I had been raised secular that came as quite a shock.
Since I was a little girl receiving communion, I always felt odd about worship, etc. As I grew and matured, I tried so hard to believe. Finally I simply stopped going to church. But then one of my siblings shared the same feelings and introduced me to atheism. All I knew about the scarlet letter “A” was Madelyn O’Hara (s) and I had been convinced she was a radical. So I wanted nothing to do with A. My sibling gave me links to Hitchens talks and several books.
And another Athirst was born!
I hated wasting time on non-factual content, the difference in character being highlighted by going to school and learning about real things. Eric Hoffer's The True Believer and Twain's Letters from the Earth helped. I read the NT and spotted the evolution of the synoptic gospels, looking every bit like the various forms of genetic mutation I had learned about.
Philosophy classes on the 10th grade was the start of it all.
Becoming an athiest was a slow process for me staring in my early to mid-twenties in a number of stages:
As a side note, I feel a bit envious when I read people's posts saying they rejected religion as a child or in their teens, part of me feels "why wasn't I smart enough to figure it out when they did". But we're each on our own journey...
I was raised in a non-religious household, and I never heard or saw any evidence that would make me a believer. Instead I saw a lot of people who thought they were smarter than me telling me how to think, which no one wants to hear. I began to realize that faith means you don't want to know the truth.