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A general question and plain noseyness.

What made you become an atheist, agnostic, non-believer or whatever?

NexusOne 3 July 19
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so, i don't wanna put too fine a point on this since most atheists are in denial on it imo, but a non-believer is surely just a believer in non, and nothing wrong with that imo except that neither one is a genuine agnostic, which actually has nothing to do with whether someone “doesnt know whether there is a god or not,” since that describes everyone, right? No one knows that, i don't think?

so point being that you might seek another definition for “agnostic,” perhaps the site definition, wherein it might be understood that a-gnostic is really “against gnosticism,” and that an agnostic is not even trying to “know” what, essentially, cannot be known.

in reply to your q i followed…more like stumbled i guess, through skado’s path, although i obviously lost some ground somewhere along the line, prolly drugs 🙂

this is a fact free post, and everything i say is a lie 😀

I'm not equating agnostics with atheist. I'm asking as per each individual area.

The difference between an atheist and a believer is that a believer is playing the superstition game where they hope that their behavior and thoughts toward a god influences said god to reward them. God is a grown-up's secret imaginary friend, except they actually believe it exists. Atheists don't have any of that.

@racocn8 so then call it Mother Nature, or even just The Way Things Are, but obviously behaviors have consequences, yes? And “good” behavior gets “rewarded,” more or less, no “god” involved at all, wouldnt you say?

And if a “believer” wants (to remain ignorant) to believe that they might become immortals by abstaining from evil behavior, meh so what; their book does not say that though

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I was never anything else.

I had a father who was atheist and a mother who was 'vaguely christian' but not a church-goer. BOTH of them trusted their children (my 3 sisters and me) to make our own decisions.

Result:

Oldest sister - strongly religious, preaches at her local churches.

Middle sister - vaguely christian but not a church-goer, like our mother.

Youngest sister - solidly atheist, but not as vocal about it as me.

Me - howling atheist.

The four of us all love each other dearly, and all four respect the views of the other three.

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I don't think I "became" anything other than honest.
What is it when you force yourself to believe in a talking snake and donkey, fish with a man living inside it for days at a time, dead people coming to life, human sacrifice, and blood magic?
I call it delusion.
Honestly no one believes this shit, they joined a tribe and say it's true to fit in.
Screw that tribe.
The other religions aren't any better, but honestly they aren't worse either, even Islam, all BULLSHIT.

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I was born an atheist, just like everyone else is.
Indoctrination didn't take.

We all like to think our own position is the “natural” one, but biology is a b#ch.

@skado I've yet to see any credible or verifiable evidence to support that assertion.

@KKGator
Would you look at it if available. M’ville says she won’t.

@skado If there were ever real evidence of what you are asserting, no one would have to go searching for it.

Sure, there are plenty of authors expounding upon their own particular theories. They can cite all sorts of studies to make their theories plausible.
As far as I'm concerned, it's not that much different than those who choose to cite anecdotal evidence to prove the bible is the actual "word of god".
I'm not renting that bs, let alone buying it.

@KKGator
I'll take that as a "no".

@KKGator
Science is the never-ending task of going searching for it. There's plenty that we haven't found yet.

Incidentally, I wonder if you have an accurate impression of what I'm asserting.

@skado You're free to take that any way you please.

@skado smart move, my friend.

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In my early 30s, starting to questioning I was taught as a baptist. My family cramming that sect down my throte . I did try other sects to see if that would make me happier and briefly it did. When, my mother implied that I would go to hell if I became an catholic was the last straw. Plus, how religious people treat the gay community. So, 3 and half years I was tired of the bs and started my journey of enlightenment.

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I never became a theist…I was born this way, it is the human default position.

and then you woke up, but i must say that otherwise you seem like a quite respectful and centered person 🙂

I think you may be mistaken about the default position, but I agree with byrd about your overall balance. 🙂

@skado I will concede it possible I could be mistaken, but I am of the firm belief that I am correct, although I’m prepared to say I believe some people may be predisposed through evolution to a having a need to believe in a greater being.

@Marionville
Some... like, apparently about 80%?
Check out John Wathey’s “The Illusion of God's Presence: The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing”

@skado ok…I must be one of the 20%, but how anyone can measure it with any degree of accuracy I would question, given that most children are introduced to the belief in there being a god at an early age, depending on the belief system of the parents. Even those children whose parents are not deeply devout are still absorbed into some belief of god’s existence almost by osmosis. Children are not born with a knowledge of any deity or higher power, the idea is planted in their brains almost subliminally and they become “mini me” believers in whatever their particular family believes.

Thanks for the references to reading material, that is kind, however I have no real desire at my stage of life to read any further material of this kind of subject matter…long ago finding a contentment in my own beliefs.

@Marionville
I don’t blame you for not wanting to read the book, but just to summarize, it does explain, and cite ample studies that indicate that evolved mother-child bonding instincts have installed in the human species at large, a general (not exclusive) tendency to feel the presence of a protective entity even when none is visible. This helps the infant trust that it has not been abandoned when its mother is not in view. Some infantile instincts automatically recede after infancy, and some, for reasons unknown, do not. This particular one is of the latter class.

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I was very young when I figured out religion (the entire church/god fairy tale) was not founded in reality as the stories they preached often did not agree with logic or the truth of the observable world. The fantasy story about the star that led the three wise men to Jesus cemented my "this book (and religion founded on it) is demonstrably not based on reality" observation. I figured religion was nothing more then a another tool old people used to control children.

And a coping mechanism.

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  1. Reading Karl Popper's "On the Logic of Scientific Discovery"

  2. Recognising the multiple logical fallacies in the claims made by religious people.

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Probably the initial thing was preschool Sunday school class at the fundamentalist Christian church my grandparents would drag me to, whenever they could.They started with Genesis, which is full of one inhuman atrocity after another. By the time they got to Abraham and Isaac, I was so horrified I was having nightmares. I am not sure my not-so-religious, but fairly indifferent, parents were aware just how traumatizing I found all the stories, lessons, and threats of hell; but at one point my father did have the presence of mind to tell me, "These are just stories. You don't have to take them literally." I clung to that little shred of disbelief like a lifeline until I was old enough to openly reject the whole business.

Deb57 Level 8 July 19, 2021
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I was “raised Catholic”, although not very devoutly . I distinctly recall the moment at age seven, before my first communion, when I realized, “this is a bunch of baloney”. Of course I (mostly) did as I was told until I left home at seventeen. When I reached high school, I was told to “go register for Catechism class”, which I did not do…but it gave me 2 & 1/2 hours every Tuesday evening to do whatever I wanted. My children are baptized “for the grandparents”, one Catholic and one Lutheran, and my daughter even made her first communion…because she wanted to. My son attended a Catholic boys high school, as a non-Catholic, where he had religion class weekly. I feel that exposure to religion helped both make their choices intelligently. Neither is religious, but both are moral. And if I am being honest, I should state that I did tell my children there was a Santa Claus, but never said there was a god.

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The stupidity of religion.

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Too much bible study. After a while things simply do not add up.

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It began in my early teenage years when I sought answers to basic questions and none of the answers that I ever received resonated within me.

Belief or non belief are not merely confined to religions for it seems to me that we as human beings hold all kinds of unexamined beliefs which we may regard as a truth but upon closer examination we may discover that nothing could be farther from a truth.

You mean to tell me that the genocidal maniac known as the Sky Fairy is a fiction? 😉

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Reaching the age of reason somewhere in my twenties.

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What made me identify as an atheist was assuming the popular notion that religious mythology was intended to be taken literally, which made no sense to me after about 14 years of age.

What made me abandon the atheist identity was realizing that the mythology made perfect sense when understood figuratively, as originally intended.

skado Level 9 July 19, 2021

word
14 was about when i got kicked out of my first sermon too, ya
lol
guess you prolly didnt stand up, interrupting, and start asking pointed questions? it was a really bad idea lol

but i have since learned to don't mix milk and meat

Yep, good philosophy, poorly translated in religion.

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Simple, I outgrew religion. Then I became an agnostic for a few years, then became an atheist. I'm an agnostic atheist.

are you sure?

I, also, am an agnostic atheist.

@bbyrd009 I'm sure that I'm an agnostic atheist. What are you?

@xenoview meh just call me a random idiot, ok, but don't miss the point, that being that you are “sure” that you are “agnostic,” which is wadr a compleat oxymoron

@bbyrd009 You do know what an agnostic is?

@xenoview well, i know pretty much everyone has their own definition 🙂
site def works for me though

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I was born.

Mvtt Level 7 July 19, 2021
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Never was in the faith thing. But if you want to know what made me not merely an agnostic atheist, but a hard working anti-religion agnostic atheist. Then that is because in the UK, many schools are still religion based, and at school I came close enough to religion to see at first hand the corruption, dishonesty , cruelty and bullying that it leads to. And since I had been raised secular that came as quite a shock.

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Since I was a little girl receiving communion, I always felt odd about worship, etc. As I grew and matured, I tried so hard to believe. Finally I simply stopped going to church. But then one of my siblings shared the same feelings and introduced me to atheism. All I knew about the scarlet letter “A” was Madelyn O’Hara (s) and I had been convinced she was a radical. So I wanted nothing to do with A. My sibling gave me links to Hitchens talks and several books.

And another Athirst was born!

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I hated wasting time on non-factual content, the difference in character being highlighted by going to school and learning about real things. Eric Hoffer's The True Believer and Twain's Letters from the Earth helped. I read the NT and spotted the evolution of the synoptic gospels, looking every bit like the various forms of genetic mutation I had learned about.

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Philosophy classes on the 10th grade was the start of it all.

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Becoming an athiest was a slow process for me staring in my early to mid-twenties in a number of stages:

  1. First, feeling unwelcomed and like I don't fit in with the christian group at my university, and feeling like that was MY fault.
  2. Being confronted with awkward questions from non-christian friends about my faith that didn't have any good answers, like do I really believe the earth is 6000 years old, why does god hate gay people whom he made gay, etc.
  3. A long period of indifference to religion
  4. A realization that I don't believe anymore
  5. Period of deep, angry resentment towards how I was raised to believe there was this ominpotent being looking out for me and a spot for me in an eternal afterlife, and the crushing realization that this wasn't true
  6. A realization that those who raised me to believe this didn't know any better, and letting go of that anger

As a side note, I feel a bit envious when I read people's posts saying they rejected religion as a child or in their teens, part of me feels "why wasn't I smart enough to figure it out when they did". But we're each on our own journey...

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The realisation that god is dog spelt backwards and that I can trust dogs much more than gods.

Ryo1 Level 8 July 20, 2021
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I was raised in a non-religious household, and I never heard or saw any evidence that would make me a believer. Instead I saw a lot of people who thought they were smarter than me telling me how to think, which no one wants to hear. I began to realize that faith means you don't want to know the truth.

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I become whatever because of the contribution of my father to my mother.

Otherwise, I personally do not have any illogical atheism. I lack disbelief.

Word Level 8 July 19, 2021
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A general question and plain noseyness: What made you stop believing in Santa Clause ?

Leetx Level 7 July 19, 2021
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