Do you think sites that willingly serve as breeding grounds for misinformation and hate are justifiable under the principles of free speech or are in any other way good for society?
Why not go back to the Fairness Doctrine? You can broadcast any damnfool thing you want but must provide equal time for opposing view(s).
It worked great, that's why it got dumped!
The fairness doctrine would only cover broadcasters that are regulated by the FCC. Society is going to have to find a way to combat disinformation, or reduce its effect on society. It might be time to look at that "every person has equal rights" theory again.
@BitFlipper but that Would impact the Biggest BS-er, Faux! IMO Very helpful!!!!!!
They are to a point. If the media is licensed by the FCC there needs to be some rules and there are but there are also loopholes the rabid media uses to everyone's disadvantage. In the end I see this as just another example of commerce over the well being of the community and planet.
The right to freedom of speech is clear in the First Amendment. If they tell lies about people, those people should sue them for slander. It is up to the rest of us to call their bs whatever it is. I believe the media should be held to a different standard, but it isn’t. Especially on the air waves, access to which was given free to broadcasters by the government. There should be regulations that prevent organizations like Fox News from spewing the hateful pap they do.
People can say and believe as they wish, its protected under the first amendment. Even if they believe and say things that are not true. I don't want or need the government/society to filter out what it considers false, I can do that on my own.
The first amendment protects free speech only from laws that congress makes, not from private enterprise or any other institution or individuals. There is no blanket protection in the constitution for free speech.
@skado The devil is in the details and always read the fine print!
@skado Great example would be alex jones. or any civil case for defamation.
It's a great way to round up criminals.
I remember when there was a popular idea that you had to be some kind of "extra" smart to be a criminal.
The Internet has proven that wrong by being more like a light luring stupid insects into the bug zapper.
So if they catch on and avoid Facebook (I doubt they will) then they'll probably just coordinate their anti-American activities directly between insurrectionist using text.... as if it were different or secure or something.
I'm sure the dark web is filled with anything and everything. I skimmed along the top a few times. I saw open drug sales happening and thought, if I can find it, the cops sure can.
@Beowulfsfriend I'm a dark web minion, industry uses the dark web for cyber security reasons.
The cops know about the sites where you can order narcotics and weapons etc... but law enforcement can't find a physical location for those servers nor the customers that frequent those businesses.
All deliveries are made via your national postal service, and the criminal web stores find it necessary to deal honestly with their customers because there's customer reviews for these places that will shut them down if people are getting ripped off, unlike street drug dealers from the 70's.
The internet we think we know so well, with all the dot.com, .org, .gov, etc... are collectively what AOL was to the Internet in the 90's compared to the full Internet dark web and all.
I have no fear of my post, I am identifiable, by name and by site registration.
I don't advocate violence, and do nothing illegal now that marijuana isn't illegal where I live.
MAGA conservative lovers of violence porn however just can't hold down the urge to rant about how they want to do whatever they want to do like gang rape and behead AOC perhaps.
If you're the kind of person that post that kind of shit, the Dark Web and VPNs and 2048 bit encryption will do NOTHING to hide your stupid ass should something happen to AOC that people reading your post would associate with you.
That's why people pretend to be someone else, like "Q" who quit posting the moment he was discovered and identified, now the moron is running for Congress.
The balls on some people.
Saying things does not make one a criminal (according to Free Speech). What you say might suggest it but, and this is what Con's got mad about with Obama's phone surveillance (though they were automatically mad at anything he did), spying on Americans who haven't actually broken a law is illegal. I think it's been demonstrated that looking into a person's background is fine for a prospective employer (in fact, we usually pay for it) so fine for the govt if one sets off alarms. I'm certain that I have by some of the things I've said. Alarms don't always ring with truth but not investigating leads to things like 9/11/01 and mass shootings.
@rainmanjr "Obama's phone surveillance"
You mean the G.W. Bush phone surveillance that was in place at least 6 years before Obama was elected?
We'll talk after you get past your delusional MAGA psychotic mind disorder.
The Republicans version of free speech is exactly how we catch insurrectionist, besides if it were illegal to speak hate speech you stupid SOBs couldn't keep your mouth shut anyway.
Please tell us all how you want to get an AK-47 and come after people like me.
Fucking moron.
@Willow_Wisp Respect, girl!
@Willow_Wisp @rainmanjr Phone surveillance has existed for decades. I met guys who did it back in the days of hard lines and before computers listened for key words. I was told, while in the military, that at least 10% of all calls from Boston through to DC were at least briefly listened to. This was 1978. Under Bush II, computers have been put to use; they listen for key words and if heard send the call to humans. I used to like calling friends and saying at the start, "bombs, Bush, White House, explosion," and then start my mundane call.
@Beowulfsfriend
This should explain the issue.
Conservatives have gold fish minds.
Now days I keep hearing about "Obama's NAFTA" and before that they claimed it was "Clinton's NAFTA" none of them remember that it was "G.H. Bushe's NAFTA."
Read this to learn some history about phone surveillance from 2005, to me 21 years ago isn't so long ago, I am not blessed with forgetfulness.
@Beowulfsfriend . . . I remember, I used to put those same 'trigger-words' in emails
@Willow_Wisp I wish I knew half of what you know about how the internet works and hacking into it.
Excellent question. We as humans have all sorts of filters we use for processing information. I think teaching the law of unintended consequences is important. Perhaps if civics, the principles of good conversation and critical thinking were taught early people would be better equipped.
The current societal experiment with expanded availability of information (otherwise known as the internet) has so far been a failure IMHO.
Many fail to understand the responsibility that comes with freedom of speech.
Many seem to forget that any freedom requires responsibility.
I keep hoping someone will be able to convince more and more judges that some of this hate speech is like yelling fire in a crowded theater.
These used to be taught in public schools in the US. By design, Republicans have destroyed that ethic in the public school system, in order to dumb down the population sufficiently to be able to manipulate them. I do not care if you don’t believe me. Nobody believed me when I said they were deliberately degrading the postal system, and nobody believes me when I say they intend to turn Social Security into a for-profit business.
@MsKathleen Oh I KNOW you are on the right track. I knew when reagan started his union bustin' and deregulation programs we were headed for trouble but no one listened to me and my Dad.