I admit I'm not very respectful to Xians nor any other religious practitioners of any faith but is it right to be so hostile toward a group of people that number in the billions just because I find their deeply held personal beliefs to be monumentally stupid?
If it ended there maybe an argument could be made to be more tolerant but these people also comprise nearly 100% of the pro-Trump voter base as well as Republicanism in general and are responsible for voting so many garbage politicians into office and supporting so much toxic legislation they should be stripped of their right to vote at all.
Now they want to overthrow democracy and replace it with an authoritarian state with the worst human being alive at the top and create a theocracy within that nightmare scenario as well.Xian conservatives are practically a terrorist organization at this point.
So, yeah, I think hating these people isn't just justified, it's unavoidable. I wish these fu--ers would just rapture already and leave all of us sinners behind They're happy, we're happy. It's a win-win.
End of rant.
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PBuck0145
Level 7
Jan 11, 2022
1
Somewhere there's an attic with a portrait of you getting smarter.
Does it depend on what you want to do? If you just want them to stop god-bothering you, then go on the offensive. If however, you're looking to change an outlook? then we have a significant advantage, we've actually read the bible and not had it read to us. Good Christians (and there are some) don't need this but the MAGA nut needs to be reminded of the Good Samaritan, "Who is my neighbour?". Anti-maskers, how about Leviticus on leprosy? "Leviticus 13:45 “Anyone with such a defiling disease must wear torn clothes, let their hair be unkempt, cover the lower part of their face and cry out, 'Unclean! Unclean! "
273kelvin
Level 8
Jan 10, 2022
2
Depends on how hostile and in my face they get with their religion.
NoSheep
Level 6
Jan 10, 2022
2
Same here. It always takes me less than two minutes to cause Jehovah's Witnesses to run away from as fast as they can.
@anglophone I'm that person who chases them down the street to talk to them some more!
@NoSheep Buybull, I love it! I had a very proud dad moment a few years ago when as I mopped my kitchen floor, my daughter dealt with a brace of Jehovah witnesses with scientific argument. My wife who was still alive then could hear the debate as our little-un took them apart on every count. She was still at University at the time - I've been following in her footsteps until Covid.
Regardless of the extent to which Christians overlap GQP on a Venn diagram, Christian values of stupidity, immorality, ignorance and hate... In embracing these values, Christians degrade themselves as human beings and their bad judgment makes them an existential threat to the species.
racocn8
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
3
I admit I'm not very respectful to car drivers nor any other road-traversing practitioners of any style but is it right to be so hostile toward a group of people that number in the billions just because I find their deeply embedded practices to be monumentally unskillfull?
If it ended there maybe an argument could be made to be more tolerant but these people also comprise nearly 100% of the pro-Trump voter base as well as Republicanism in general and are responsible for voting so many garbage politicians into office and supporting so much toxic legislation they should be stripped of their right to vote at all.
Now they want to overthrow democracy and replace it with an authoritarian state with the worst human being alive at the top and create a theocracy within that nightmare scenario as well.Driving conservatives are practically a terrorist organization at this point.
So, yeah, I think hating these people isn't just justified, it's unavoidable. I wish these fu--ers would just park already and give all of us walkers the road. They're happy, we're happy. It's a win-win.
End of rant.
skado
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
3
I can't hate religious folks who DO NOT proselytize. I try not to hate people. It results in violence. Hate consumes the hater. I tend more to hate ideas, I actions. People who engage in violent actions might be better approached as to how to relieve them of their hate. I have found when I hate, my critical thinking is askew & decision making becomes influenced by emotion. That then becomes dangerous. So I do not engage hate with a liberal lean. Liberal of course meaning tolerance. I hate the concept that some people hold that sources, history, science don't matter. Or that they try to debate when not being educated on the subject. Often they will say to me, "I know what you're saying but I feel....". Do not make decisions with feelings alone.
Mooolah
Level 8
Jan 10, 2022
5
The longer this movement lasts, the more in danger our nation is.
I've never been a fan of genocide, it kills too many innocent people, and not enough of those who deserve to be dead.
Unfortunately, as long as this insurrection (and that's exactly what it is)
is permitted to continue, the closer we move to mass-casualty events.
KKGator
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
8
What insurrection? What reality are you living in? If you are still saying what happened last year is still in the works today, thats foolish. There were definitely a few people during the January 6 riot that would have loved to overthrow the government. Alot of those people were just there to protest and most of them didn't enter the capital building. Don't you think if a planned insurrection happened they wouldn't have just been flag waving and walking around. No armed rioters shot anyone either, only the police shot someone. If your definition of "insurrection" is rioting then there have been lots of insurrections committed by protesters all over the country during 2020
@Tejas They wanted to overturn an election and put in place their tyrant (who lost). Recounts proved them wrong yet they do not relent so, yeah, that's an insurrection. BLM was trying to get justice for a murdered human being and some buildings got damaged (maybe not by BLM protesters but those who saw it happen should have reported to police what they saw). That's not about overturning our system of govt so it's not an insurrection. See the diff?
@KKGator generalizing everyone there is not something a critical thinker or skeptic should do. I was watching it live as alot of people were. Watching interviews with people in the crowd outside some of them were appalled and not in support of the rioters. It's safe to say a majority of the people were just there to protest what they considered injustice. Painting everyone with same brush is something the ignorant do.
@creative51 you are making alot of assumptions with zero evidence. Congratulations you argue like a Christian
@creative51 I'm not a Trumper. I don't care what is said at some testimony, people with their own agendas spin things the way they want to. I saw it live on tv
From the outside of the USA and having predicted the incident during my American politics studies - our class was unanimous in that!
The fact that so many in the crowd who stormed the Capitol building were armed and armoured together with their chants and placards demanding death on Democrats showed clearly the intent to overthrow the legitimate government.
I'm sure glad I don't harbor that extreme level of hatred toward people that have a different point of view than I have.
dumasarok
Level 7
Jan 10, 2022
4
Their different point of view is to undermine democracy and rebuild the country into an authoritarian state. If we were talking about a difference of opinion over something trivial, I wouldn't be triggered by them but we're talking about democracy over fascism. It's something to get a bit more outraged over.
@Sgt_Spanky I've come to be dismissive of whatever life holds in store for anyone, even so-called friends and family, as the variables are just too great. Life happens and we fool ourselves by thinking that control over it can be asserted. It's better to detach, let go, and simply observe. I keep in mind that Yin/Yang is in all things and it is not for me to judge them. This morning I tripped on a curb and hurt my left arm. Nice people behind me stopped to offer help and that made me smile despite feeling like an oaf. Sitting here typing makes it hurt, again, and I start to get mad but it will not change the pain so I let that anger pass on. Life just kind of hurts and that's what pot and meditation is for.
I don’t believe it is right to be hostile. You paint with a wide brush. Everything you say about ‘these people’ don’t describe the Christians I know personally.
indirect76
Level 7
Jan 10, 2022
9
I'm judging them as a large group who share the same fascist aspirations made clear by their unwavering support for Trump and his authoritarian leanings. Will there be those who disagree within that group, of course but these outliers are the exception, not the rule.
@Sgt_Spanky Not all Christians are supporters of You-Know-Who. Mostly Evangelicals are on that bus. Other religions not so much. You are in Floriduh a southern state where religion carries far more influence than New England or urban areas.
There is no rapture coming. Do you think "god" would bring these fucknuts up into his place ???
We are stuck here on earth with this problem
twill
Level 7
Jan 10, 2022
5
Good point, if there is a heaven it is a Mental Institution for the Criminally Insane, some have a nicer veneer and manners but you don't have to scratch the surface very deep before the bat shit crazy comes oozing out. The atrocities of human history are largely committed by otherwise nice people who act monstrously based upon deep held personal beliefs.
I stopped 'respecting people's religion' in the 20th Century, when religions mutated into regressive antimodernist fundamentalist contagions, with little or no respect for modern secularism. I don't remember the date. 90s, I think. Certainly by 9/11 attacks. I recall my view became, 'fuck them, game on.' Haven't looked back. Don't care about their feelings.
David1955
Level 8
Jan 10, 2022
4
I see your rant and I agree to extents with it. My late Christian friend would tell you that the people you describe are "not real Christians" and there we go. He has simply explained why there are so many of them. Nothing more and nothing less.
From time to time believers come to my door. Anyone from JW's to Baptists. I run them off with a few sentences I know they do not want to hear. Most of them leave asking me to "look at the trees." Apparently trees explain why we have gods.
As for garbage politicians we do have plenty. Mostly they do nothing or try to get you to hate the other party. I avoid those. They think they have a monopoly on winning. Way too many claim to be Christian and want everything to be Christian. They want to usher in that Christian America that they claim we really are. If you are Progressive as I am you hear that everything is Communist or Socialist and constant echoes of "who is going to pay for it." My best answer is to get the major political parties out of the way and let's see. I often ask who pays for things in other countries and I get back cries of those countries are Commies or Socialists.
I was born at night but not last night. I am also aware that progress is not instant and does not come with one man or one term in the Oval Office.
DenoPenno
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
6
This raises yet another reason I have for hating these ppl; any attempt by progressives to introduce legislation that will benefit the common man, or, God help us, the poor, will be called "socialism" and will inevitably lead to bread lines, government cheese giveaways and dogs for dinner. They claim we'll become Venezuela overnight. They have no concept of the difference between government social programs to benefit society as a whole and a socialist government. Progressives are fine with capitalism but these dumbasses refuse to see any difference.
@Sgt_Spanky I agree with this totally. It is as if conservatives are saying it is their way or no way.
I am a solid Atheist. I don't like Trump nor do I like any Democrat I see on TV.
Associating believers solely with Trump is rather stupid. BOTH major political parties are nuts!
Alienbeing
Level 8
Jan 10, 2022
5
@creative51 Yes! And I'll add that the length of a campaign be shortened to 3-4 months. That should be long enough to get your vision across. The current length of a campaign is much too long, and only gives more time to sully, or degrade, and lie about your opponents.
@creative51 You have some good ideas.
I'm with you - against the deluded Trumpkins and Christian Nationalists who want to impose their beliefs on everyone and are trying to make the U.S. a "Christian nation."
There are also a lot of anti-Trump, pro-democracy, progressive Christians who believe in separation of church and state and respecting other people's beliefs or nonbelief. And others who are in the middle somewhere - here, there, everywhere on the various issues and opinions. They are not as noisy or as much in the media as the rabid Republicans.
For example:
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nicestuff
Level 7
Jan 10, 2022
4
Those types are far and few between....
The old chestnut about. "Hate the belief not the believer." Still perhaps hold good, but as with all things it will always benefit from being nuanced a bit. And it is certain that, there are in any religion, including Christianity, several sorts of believers, from the pure victims who are being exploited, all the way to the purely evil exploiters who are only believers because it is a way to exploit others without getting arrested by the police, and who would happily override any good that the religion may do, if it suit their selfish objectives.
It is unreasonable and not even a good thing, to extend total forgiveness to the later, even if you do believe in the value of turn the other cheek. Which is another idea I would like to qualify.
Fernapple
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
4
I would suggest a more nuanced approach. I am content to let all fools believe their own idiocies when such idiocies affect only their own lives. However, I take great exception whenever any such fool tries to ram his own idiocies down other people's throats. This includes all religious fundamentalists, all Trumpsters, all psychopaths, all narcissists, all conspiracy theorists and all anti-vaxxers. I would cheerfully throw the lot of them into the 51st state, walled off of course, and let the whole damn lot of them kill each other.
anglophone
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
5
puff:
Anti-vaxxers don't ram their idiocies down other peoples throats. Pro-vaxxers sure do, which is what mandates are all about.
It's not against the law to believe what you want and we all put up with dickheads, even though who we class as a dickhead may be different and thankfully, no-one is in a perpetual state of dickheadedness.
Kids is the main group that needs to be protected from idiots trying to shove idiotic beliefs their way.
Thus speaks the idiot that is -> @puff .
puff:
@anglophone I'm still giggling that dickheadedness is a word that does not need correcting according to my red line spell check. I'll have to use it more often.
@puff what antivaxers do is ram their unvaxinated egoism on vaxinated people's health with an utter disregard for their fellow men and women's wellbeing. Clogging much needed space in hospitals and clinics for people who need care with terrible diseases like cancer, so spare me your self righteous bullshit and get vaccinated, if not for your sorry ass, for the sake of others who are and might need urgent care for cardiac arrests or cancer or any other disease but that they can't right now because hospitals are jammed to capacity with a majority of unvaccinated morons.
puff:
@Mofo1953 I'm not anti vax but very much pro-consent. With covid medicines, yes they protect you but don't stop transmission. So chasing a herd immunity is, sorry, idiotic. Drop the mandates.
I do like the idea of ramming my idiotic belief of consent down peoples throats. "Come on you arsehole, hurry up and choose. Bloody choice hesitant" 
As soon as Novavax becomes available in my country, I will be getting vaccinated. Not before.
@puff - "Anti-vaxxers don't ram their idiocies down other peoples throats."
" The Jolt: Anti-vaxxers shut down vaccination event,"
"anti-vaxxer protesters had disrupted several vaccination drives -- and forced one to shut down."
"public health staff “have been harassed, yelled at, threatened and demeaned by some of the very members of the public they were trying to help.”
"In one south Georgia county, the anti-vaxxers tracked down public healthn, and now very ill, COVID-19 patients-- even as he resists calls for statewide mask or
"Georgia’s hospitals, nearly all of which are overwhelmed by unvaccinated, and now very ill, COVID-19 patients-- even as he resists calls for statewide mask or vaccine mandates."
@Beachslim7 No, they just help spread the virus and kill more people. Moronic seems about right for your comment.
@Beachslim7 you will need to show proof of your statement as I find it difficult to believe anything you post.
@Beachslim7 I thought as much. You make a stupid statement and expect others to believe you! And when you’re called on your BS you call everyone commies. Bugger off!
@Redheadedgammy I have no time for @Beachslim7 .
@anglophone he is one that needs to be blocked. Just an all around nasty individual! I gave him my last response. If he writes anymore bullshit to me he will be blocked. I have no time for nitwit assholes.
I'm not disrespectful to random people for no reason and I don't discuss these things with strangers. I know all religious belief is nonsense but there's nothing I can do to change anyone's thinking. Not necessary. That's what Christians do. I know what I think to be true. When it comes to vaccine and the pandemic? That different. That affects me personally and threatens my very existence. That's when I'm ready to drop kick religious people.
barjoe
Level 9
Jan 10, 2022
5
Theists have never allowed non-believers to just be left alone when truly given power.
Burned alive or smeared with honey and tied down to an ant hill and die that way.
They would do these things again to us if they could.
They would sell tickets.
BufftonBeotch
Level 8
Jan 10, 2022
6
Fact 
@Beachslim7 The Koolaid thing? You are touchy.
@Beachslim7 Nothing in there supports anyone saying to kill the cloud heads.
@Beachslim7 Stay with your sky pappa and imagination.
@Beachslim7 I know you people do not feel complete unless you imagine you are oppressed.
@Beachslim7 COMMUNISM!!!!
The fuck is this 1957 or some fuck shit?
@Beachslim7 You actually accused me of being a Communist.
What actual decade is your head living in Asshole?
@TheMiddleWay Yes China does also have a hive brain mentality similar to a religion.
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