That peace lovin country with it's IDF. Does not surprise me Israel have these types of Summer Camps if true. They know indoctrination works as well against the young and impressionable. What kid doesn't want to play with guns?
You use Israel as an example of the goodness of far right camps, so you condone military training for kids.

There is an awful lot of public opposition for this war everywhere, especially Europe. They do not think NATO expansion is worth it, neither do I. Far too high a cost this war, losing a generation both sides, and not enabling peaceful co-existence for a multipolar world. NATO expansion had to stop sometime, why not now?
This will end in negotiation, as all wars do. The longer the delay, the less willing both sides will be willing to compromise because of too much bad blood. The sooner the better imo. Swallow your pride and talk , both sides.
Governments learnt from Viet Nam. Don't let the media show corpses and body bags as the public support for war soon diminishes when confronted with the harsh realities.

The Kyiv Independant. Would you consider that a reliable source regarding Russian losses? Have you seen any other figures?
In war both sides will downplay losses and exaggerate achievements to keep home moral up..

@puff . I've checked all the numbers on at least four random sites and two newlines. The people that doubt my numbers are usually the Repug traitors and a few Russians. I always check my text before posting, now that there is such a divide among us all, thanks to the trumpites and magats.

@OldGoat43 Good to hear you double check info.
Don't know what you are on about re MAGA types in this subject. It's the only time America has bipartism, when it comes to war

Both sides are guilty in the Ukraine conflict and all guilty should have their day in court. After 9/11, the US also employed torture, group punishment based on race and captivity without trial. The active suppression of whole peoples. Drone attacks which terrorise people. Why the US sanctions Cuba still, no one knows. Stealing Venezuela's money whilst applying sanctions resulting in the democratically elected government can't provide for their people. Actively promoting regimes that are known to utilise torture like Argentina etc etc
That's the real trouble with Western countries now, we did hold some moral authority back in the 70's condemning human right abuses. But I fully understand countries now with their comebacks of "Fuck off you hypocritical wankers, have a look in the mirror". We in the West have no leg to stand on anymore, and can blame none except ourselves for allowing these atrocities committed by us to go unpunished.
The recent sorties in Syria are a case in point. Yes, you have a right to protect your personnel in foreign lands with retaliatory strikes, but the US realistically has no right because they are illegally in that land. By rights, the US military should refuse to comply to the occupation because it is an illegal order regardless of whether Congress approved it back in 2001 with the open ended authorisation for war or not.
The NATO bombing of Serbia was a war crime but none get prosecuted like Clinton. Iraq was an illegal war and no-one gets punished like GW Bush.

I'm not forgetting that at all, war crimes should be prosecuted so hand over GW Bush as he has a warrant out for him as well. If Putin ever does have to face court for removing the children from the Crimea peninsula, you may be as sure as shit these camps will be a powerful part of his defense in justifying his actions.

It was where I started my alcoholic period at age 14.

Did they instill a hate for other people, like Russians, in them? Indoctrination; repetition in message, ritual, become part of the group. The doctrine here is ultranationalism and a hatred for all things Russian. As religions know, indoctrination works best when you get them early. Hear the kid say they get their "ggod book" at school? That's why they want to go to "summer camp"
I fucking hate indoctrination targeting kids of any kind but child soldiers is perhaps the worse. Did you know kids make great soldiers? Because they don't understand what death is yet. Remember, this was going on during the Minsk agreement, the agreement if followed allowed for all there to live in peace.

@puff in a very subtle way distrust of Germans - rifle range targets at one time were images of German infantry. But direct hatred indoctrination no.