I guess the question becomes… are we content to let the fact that a minority don’t like it, stop everybody else from having that freedom? I don’t think they need “an excuse” to move in the direction of their desires, and I don’t think having that excuse will ultimately withstand majority wishes. It’s a temporary effect of a conservative court.

@skado Regarding that specific issue, I sure hope you're right that it's just a temporary thing. When I hear talk from some about making Federal laws banning all abortion procedures, I'm generally inclined to take their threats seriously.

@SpikeTalon
It’s good to take those threats seriously because they certainly intend to carry them out, and that requires vigilance to resist. But I think DrMLK had it right when he said “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”
There will always be struggles, but in the long run that arc has bent toward justice.

Hearing from first hand experience is gold dust. Thank you.

Clearly, conservative politicians are pandering to those who wish to be in control of other people’s lives. They have been manipulating the religious right for years, and in fact are partially responsible for “the right” moving further right.

Thanks for the updated numbers. The result is the same. More actively religious folks favor abortion than don’t, even if by a narrower margin than with the unaffiliated (many of whom are religious). My point being that it isn’t the “religious” who are responsible for the demise of Roe, but conservative judicial activism. They do not represent a majority of Americans.

@skado Religion is not Immoral or evil of itself, but neither is it naturally moral, it is simply amoral, completely neutral on issues of morality. To use the wonderful metaphor you yourself coined. ( Which I will never forget. ) It is a sauce which you can pour over anything. Which is sadly why it is so much more useful to the evil of intent, and why in this issue it is the, "conservative judicial activists" as you call them, who are getting the best use out of the smoke screen of religion.

So much so that it even seems to the casual first glance, to a crude observer that it is a religious issue.

And that is my main problem with religion on all issues, that it is not of itself, by nature, an evil thing, but it is a weapon which most readly fits the hand of the evil of intent. Especially since the "conservative judicial activists" and other conservative extremes, are so successful at promoting the false myth that religion is not merely, a source of morality, but even the 'only' source of morality, because that helps greatly to raise the calliber of their main weapon.

In fact of course, there is an exact analogue with the gun law issue. Where the pro-gun lobby love to point out that, a rifle is a useful tool, for the farmer to protect the worlds food, and for the poor to feed their families, etc., and they say that. "Guns do not kill people. It is only the shooters who do that." Neither does religion create, conservative extremism, bullying, sexism, racism, extreme nationalism, etc. but it does help them very greatly to promote themselves. And it is therefore with the same pragmatism that I think makes most pro gun control people, think that the world would be a happier and safer place if there were fewer guns. Despite the honest ones, acknowledging that they can be useful. So it is, that I think that the world would be a far happier and safer place if there was less religion. And my personal experience confirms that, having observed your country for a long while now, and coming from a country, where there is far less religion, and far fewer guns, I can almost certainly say, that we here are a far happier and safer place because of that.

@Fernapple
It can certainly appear that way to the casual observer. I haven’t seen any scientific verification of it, but lots to suggest otherwise. Evolution doesn’t “care” whether it’s methods also produce some “unintended consequences”. It just keeps doing what works.

Apparently so at the moment.