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I live in the U K and if you want a gun licence here it's like a visit from the Spanish Inquisition by the police, very few licences are handed out I don't know of any civilian person that has a licence for a hand gun or have heard of anyone with a hand gun licence, shotgun licences involve a visit to your house by the police, if you've a criminal history don't even bother applying, there has to be a designated place in your house where the gun has to be kept, the steel cabinet that has to be a fixture to the fabric of the house, the licence holder is the only person that is allowed to hold the key.

Possessing a hand gun without a licence is a criminal offence with a sentence of up to five years in prison for the first offence, I don't know about the shot gun but I'll bet it's not that far behind the severity of the unlicensed hand gun penalty.

We English don't understand the American free for all gun ownership you have over there, I know it's one of your amendments about bearing arms and still don't understand, it looks like the logic of the madhouse to most of us English.

Just as an add on I am quite pro American and have to say we English, I know it's hard to believe, we also do have our faults too.

Regards ippy

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I've no idea what a CCW permit is, no doubt it has something to do with gun ownership, assuming that's so it saddens me to think you like so many Americans take this subject so lightly, I hope you never find a reason to use it.

ippy Level 3 Sep 11, 2018
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Bear with me it'll look as though I'm going off at a tangent I will be returning to the subject, anyway as follows.

I'm aware of the difference between the bad habit of smoking tobacco and owning a gun but I notice there has been quite a transformation in the area of smoking, we no longer see product placement in films, no advertising anywhere very little sponsorship, none of the old romantic settings where the faces of the lovers are seen in the light of a freshly struck match lighting the cigarette in our films any more.

I think it'll take a long time to eradicate gun ownership to the levels of here in England but a start could be made with a similar approach to the way advertising tobacco products has been sat upon and shut down such as the mentioned above product placement, macho posing with guns in all sorts of films, and then I'm exaggerating I know but to make a point,at the moment with so many otherwise quite good films we see guns as the answer to all problems I'm sure if your film industry was able to find a way to demonstrate an easier way to tie your shoelaces with the aid of a gun we'd soon be seeing this in an American film somewhere, I'm sure if some American film producer was to make a film about baby care he or she would find a way of including a gun in the story somewhere.

I don't know but I'd take a guess that there's a lot of N R A sponsorship in the American film industry pushing for the inclusion of guns and at the same time expecting them to be projected as heroically glamorous and highly desirable items to own and pose with.

I also believe there's a money side to guns with things like the N R A sponsoring a strong lobbying element in your legislature, I very much doubt that's all, anyway having said all of that lot ridding the media of all forms of gun promotion would be a good start, but watch out for the N R A hit men if you're involved in a campaign to do so.

Regards to you all, ippy

ippy Level 3 Sep 11, 2018

I'd say I agree with you and yes this gun problem America has needs to be tackled on all fronts, I do see promotion by all of the forms of the media as about the worst things that they rather successfully legitimises gun ownership, it'd be a good area to attack first.

Regards ippy

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The essential difference so many keep missing between the USA and UK/Oz isn't really the 2nd Amendment. The key difference is those populations willingly gave up their firearms when the government called for that and our population strongly resists anything resembling gun confiscation and sweeping bans.

Most in the USA support better background checks and I think it's extremely odd we've never had legislation that only had background checks without more controversial initatives but most in the USA oppose mimicking the UK or OZ's sweeping bans and confiscation.

Of course I keep asking, why is restrictive legislaiton our main and usually the ONLY focus in decreasing gun violence? We don't fixate on other issues via restrictive legislaiton, we tried that with alcohol prohobition then a bit with drugs and quickly found out there are limitations to legislation so now we have a lot of education and PSA to change the culture around irresponsible drug and alcohol use....but continue thinking restrictive legislaiton should be our focus for gun violence???

Please notice, I'm not saying legislation has no utility. I am saying fixating on any one type of solution for any problem will give us limited efficacy.

I'm totally on side with you and think you've put it like it is, however having this view of the gun situation in America shouldn't stop you trying to have something done to solve the problem don't let it be seen you've given up.

Regards ippy

@ippy 100% agree, we can significantly decrease gun fatalities but a first step there would be reducing the rigidity on BOTH sides of the discussion.

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The problem is putting the genie back in the bottle. I hope this country is as as pationate about keeping democracy as they are about keeping our guns. The Republican hold on to thier rights with one hand and play willy-nilly with them with the other. At the top it’s driven by greed and at the bottom by bigotry, with some crossover.

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IIRC in the UK you also need two safes. One for firearm(s) the other for ammo. Both need to be inspected.

As far as the free for all in the US, that's not true. Felons are NOT allowed around firearms.

Lol, it’s a free for all ... I inherited mine, nobody came knocking about where my dads gun was. It can not be traced to me and because I’m in Florida it’s completly legal. I could get a license but it’s optional. I may get rid of it because if someone broke in I could not get it unlocked and loaded fast enough and I won’t leave it in a table next to the bed because I have kids. But I have the it.

@ArdentAtheist Not a free for all, but easy to get. If anyone is a felon and get caught with a firearm, that's bad shit.

Serial numbers weren't required until 1968. Lot's don't. You don't have to register a firearm, so most don't. I know about every police officer around here. If I get pulled over one of the first things they ask is if I have a firearm. I Tell them yes if I do. Don't bother me.

@ArdentAtheist just an FYI, you can get a gun safe that would fit next to your bed and could be opened extremely quickly. I bought my pistol safe on sale for $80 and have opened it, got the gun and ran outside to shoot critters a few times in the middle of the night.

Smart gun owners secure their weapons.

Yes I can appreciate what it is you're saying, I've never applied for a gun licence nor am I likely to do so, but it'll not make any difference to the idea I've put forward simply because I haven't mentioned how the law is on this subject in fine detail.

I'm very English and I find the matter of fact way you refer to gun ownership in more or less the same way someone would refer to something as innocuous as a fishing rod very worrying.

Regards ippy

@ippy Getting my CCW Permit on Sunday. 😛

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